Welcome to That Weewoo Show: a podcast where Bex, Alice and Ellen watch and discuss every episode of ABC’s TV show, 9-1-1.
In this episode we discuss episode 13 of the second season of 9-1-1, titled “Fight or Flight”.
The first responders rally together to search for a missing Maddie.
Content warnings for episode 2.13:
Strong warning for graphic physical and emotional domestic violence, gun violence, knife violence, blood, injury and death of minor characters on screen.
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Episode Transcript
Maddie: [00:00:00] 9-1-1. What’s your emergency?
Ellen: Welcome back to That Weewoo Show, a podcast where we watch and discuss episodes of the ABC show, 9-1-1. I’m Ellen.
Alice: I’m Alice
Bex: and I’m Bex.
Ellen: As always, thanks to everyone who has been listening to our episodes and has responded to our weird and wonderful questions about life in the U S since we are all from Australia and don’t know about American things.
We really appreciate all of your help with that. Thank you very much for rating us on Spotify and Apple podcasts as well. Alice, do you want to tell us what happened last week on 9-1-1?
Alice: Yeah. So. Last week, and the week before, I guess, because it’s a bit of a three parter, this one. [00:01:00] Maddie’s estranged husband, Doug, tracked Maddie down at her new home and kidnapped her after stabbing Chimney several times.
While bleeding out, we got a flashback of Chimney’s decision to become a firefighter, and his early days at the 118, with the return of the awful Captain Gerrard, and monster truck lover, Tommy.
Ellen: Ah, yes, the monster trucks.
Bex: And the craft beer.
Alice: And the craft beer. Yeah. Can’t forget the craft beer.
And the love, actually. Yeah.
Bex: In this episode, we are going to discuss episode 13, titled “Fight or Flight”, which first aired in the U. S. on the 1st of April, 2019, and oof,
Ellen: April Fools Day, really? Damn.
Alice: The poor 9-1-1 fans just come back from a great day of pranking. To this. Yeah. Good lord.
Bex: I wonder if they’re, they were sitting there watching the entire thing going, [00:02:00] when’s the other shoe gonna drop?
Ellen: Yeah, when’s the jokes gonna start?
Bex: Is something gonna happen?
Ellen: There’s nothing funny about this episode.
Bex: No. Uh, there is not. The official summary for this episode simply says, the first responders rally together to search for a missing Maddie.
Alice: Just one of them. Just, just one of the missing Maddies. Mm hmm.
Bex: Uh, for this episode, we have a very strong trigger warning for domestic abuse, and we’d also like to warn everyone that we, your loving hosts, uh, deal with trauma using dark humor. We absolutely don’t want to make light of domestic violence. It is a very serious issue. However, two hours of the three of us sobbing into our microphones does not make for good listening for you guys.
If you are particularly sensitive to topics of domestic violence, we strongly recommend that you give [00:03:00] this episode a skip. Um, if you haven’t seen. fight or flight if you are watching 9-1-1 for the first time. A quick summary of the episode is that Chimney survives, he’s found, he’s taken to hospital, he survives surgery, Maddie is found, she survives, Doug however does not.
Ellen: Yeah.
Bex: Yep. Other triggers are, uh, where there is going to be some gun violence, there is going to be knife violence, there is going to be blood Assault to and injury of major character and assault to and injury and death of minor characters on screen
Ellen: Yeah, they packed a lot into this episode, honestly
Bex: They really did
Alice: Yeah, it’s a it’s a big episode and it’s like I remember the first time I watched this just being on the edge of my Seat the entire time.
Yeah, like even though I’d seen episodes after [00:04:00] this, and I knew that Maddie and Chimney both survived, I was still just like, heart in my chest. In my mouth.
Ellen: Yeah.
Alice: In my throat? What’s the word?
Bex: Your heart in your throat, yeah.
Ellen: No, heart, heart, your heart being in your chest is a good thing. You want that.
Bex: But they do such a good job of, even when you know that everything is going to have a happy ending at some point, they, it is still, they do manage to ratchet the drama up and the tension.
So you’re still completely worried about the characters all the way through.
Ellen: Yeah. And I think part of the thing that makes it, one of the things that really brings the tension up is when Doug is actually being nice and, you know, appears to be caring and whatever, but you know what he’s really like.
And it’s just that, that [00:05:00] having someone being nice to you while they could snap at any minute is just so difficult to watch.
Bex: Brian did. I don’t know, can you say he did an amazing job at being such a horrible person?
Ellen: He was, he was working really hard. Really awesome villain. Yeah. Yeah.
Alice: I think they do a good job of, like, showing that they’re not evil all the time.
Like, there are moments where he’s, like, trying to be sweet with her, but, like, she’s obviously done, but
Ellen: Well, I mean, he still thinks, he, in his mind he’s doing this for love. Like, that’s his motivation. Even though he’s sort of a complete psychopath, and it comes out as murder. It’s a really, it’s a very strong kind of reaction to have, but I guess some people have that in real life too, which is kind of scary.
When you think about it.
Alice: Like it, it also shows like [00:06:00] he’s beating her down so much that, like, she doesn’t think she can get over it. Any, like, she can find anything better?
Ellen: Yeah, maybe in the past she might have thought that, but I feel like, okay, we’re jumping ahead here, but by the time they Oh,
Alice: now absolutely she realizes.
Ellen: Yeah, on the, when she’s on the road and she looks so despondent and everything, but then she does take the opportunity to, to fight back. So she’s actually, you know, we know that her time with Buck or whatever, her time with Chim has given her a spark back, you know. She knows there’s better things out there, so she’s going to fight.
But anyway, yes, we are getting ahead. Um, let’s,
Alice: yeah, let’s, let’s,
Ellen: let’s finally get Chim to the hospital. He’s been lying there bleeding on the ground for several weeks. Sorry, Chim.
Bex: For weeks, Ellen.
Ellen: It’s been weeks. It’s been, oh my God, I feel terrible.
Alice: So Buck’s got home. Because he lives with Maddie, so he’s got [00:07:00] home and has found Chim lying on, like, the sidewalk at the front of Maddie’s house where he’s been for several weeks.
Bex: No, no, no, not the sidewalk, inside, because he had to get in through that security door that suddenly appeared out of nowhere.
Alice: So it’s like in the apartment complex.
Ellen: He’s in the courtyard.
Bex: Yeah, in that, that little tunnel thing between the um, brand new security door and the, like, the eight garden atrium.
Alice: But yeah, so Buck finds him and calls 9-1-1 and Josh answers, because apparently Josh just doesn’t leave work ever.
Bex: Well, it’s, it’s either Josh or Maddie, they’re the only two
Alice: dispatchers. And Sue.
Bex: Yes. And Sue.
Alice: Anyway, so Buck, like, gives the address straight away, starts breaking down the scene, um, that he has an adult male with multiple stab wounds to his torso, needs medical and police response.
Bex: It’s really interesting how Josh changes during this call. Because even though Buck is very professional, um, [00:08:00] in that phone call, Josh is still going through that typical 9-1-1 dispatcher script.
Alice: Yeah, he’s doing the checklist in his head.
Bex: Yeah, it’s like, so can I get your name? And as soon as he gets Buck’s name, he immediately just goes, well, throws the script out the window.
Because there’s no point going through all of those things, because Buck knows how to do all those things, and he’s going to get the information that he needs. Yeah. I found that, that very interesting.
Alice: It’s good. They do a really good job showing the difference and like showing when normal people in the show call 9-1-1, there’s just, you know, “Bees!”
Whereas whenever the firefighters call or the police call, like it’s very, “This is where I am. This is, um, what’s happened. This is who I need. Like, this is who I need.” Yes. Because that’s what they’re trained to do. Anyway, so Buck’s on, like, Buck’s got Josh on speaker. He’s taken off his [00:09:00] jacket to use to put pressure on Chim’s wounds, um, to try and stop the bleeding.
Um, he just sounds so frantic, and every time Buck sounds frantic, it breaks my heart, and I just want to hug him.
Ellen: Yeah.
Alice: Even though Chim’s literally the one bleeding out, I’m just like, Oh, Buck, baby, let me give you a cuddle. You’re okay. You’re doing so good.
Ellen: And Chim says, like, he took her, he took her, and he says, um, you know, Jason, he says something about Jason.
And Buck’s like, who’s Jason? And Chim sort of manages to get out. He just says Maddie’s name, I think, right? Yeah. And so, and then Buck turns around and sort of looks back at the apartment and goes, “Where’s Maddie? Where’s Maddie? Where’s Maddie?”
Alice: But he does keep his head enough to keep pressure on Chimney. Yeah, he stays there. Until the paramedics arrive.
Ellen: Yeah, that’s right.
Alice: And, I don’t know how they got in.
Bex: How did they get in? [00:10:00] Who buzzed them in? Did Buck, like, take pressure off Chim enough to, you know, get up and open? Because it’s not just that someone buzzed them in, that security door is now wide open and has been pinned open, because we can see out into the street, we can see the RA units with their lights going out in the street.
Alice: Don’t question it, it’s fine. Paramedics have keys to everywhere. Um, they have like a skeleton key, like, you know. The mayor does, but all the paramedics have it.
Ellen: The key to the city.
Alice: They only have to break door downs when they’re, when they’re having fun. I mean,
Bex: not to, not to spoil future episodes, but that is a plot point that does get brought up later, later, later, later on.
It’s just, it’s just, uh, I’m not thinking about the details, I’m not thinking about the details. So yes, the paramedics come in and as soon as Buck can hand over care of Chimney to the paramedics, he is off.
Alice: Yeah. Like bolts. Um, sprints with those giant giraffe legs of his, um, into the apartment, yelling Maddie’s name, searching all the [00:11:00] rooms, he’s covered in blood too, like there’s, like he’s got a bloody handprint where he’s wiped, tried to wipe the blood off his shirt, um, like his hands are just bright red.
There’s blood everywhere. And he’s like frantically looking through the apartment. He’s still got his phone, still got 9-1-1, and he’s like, yeah, Maddie’s not here, but all her stuff. So like, he finds her phone, he finds her keys, like everything is still in the house.
Bex: I’m gonna pin a flag on the play with the phone, because I don’t understand what is going on with the phones, but we can talk about that in a second, once the cops get there, because the phones confused me.
But it might just be, again, I can’t think about the details in this episode or they’re going to drive me bonkers.
Ellen: Like Sue realizes right away what’s happened. She, because she knows about Doug.
Alice: Yeah, because Maddie’s spoken to her previously about it.
Ellen: And so she’s, she says, “Oh, he found her.”
Bex: But can we also talk about the fact that Sue has like an [00:12:00] inbuilt radar for plot points?
Alice: Yeah, she’s just that good of a dispatcher.
Bex: Because Josh is taking Buck’s call. Sue is on the other side of the dispatch floor.
Ellen: He does, he does say Buck’s name and her ears prick up.
Bex: But she’s all the way on the other side of the floor. How can she hear Josh over everything else that’s going? And she makes a beeline for Josh’s station.
Alice: And Buck isn’t like exactly a, like, Josh might have just said, fuck, and Sue’s just like, oh, he’s mad about something. Um, but, sorry.
Bex: But, yeah, Gaahhhh This is, this is how I cope with not feeling the, the episode. I nitpick it to death. I can’t feel anything if I’m angry at the details.
Alice: It’s a TV show, not real life. Just don’t think about it. So we get the title card and then we go straight into a flashback.
Bex: But we don’t know that it’s a [00:13:00] flashback because they don’t even tell us that it’s a flashback.
Alice: No.
Bex: We suddenly just, we’re in this house, which I’m guessing is Pennsylvania, based on what we know about where everybody was living, um, but it’s definitely not LA.
It’s far too green and far too ye olde, I guess.
Ellen: Yeah. Yeah. And the, it’s like, the light is different there. It’s like a bit more golden, a bit more
Bex: burn your eyeballs out bright.
Ellen: It’s, it’s more. I don’t know, rich colors or something like that. It’s like, and as soon as that kind of happened and then we saw that it was Doug and Maddie in this house, I realized it was a memory or a dream or flashback, because it looks different to the real, to real life.
So Doug’s in the kitchen looking for a opener, bottle opener, and he can’t find the fancy opener that he took out a loan for, so he opens a bottle [00:14:00] of wine with a knife. We, he finds like a pocket knife or something and he opens it with that somehow. I’m not sure.
Bex: Is that what he grabbed? I couldn’t see. It was definitely something sharp.
Alice: Yeah, he does it, he ends up with like a corkscrew. So, like, I think they had like a fancy opener, but then he just gets like a corkscrew with a bottle opener attached. But it looks like a pen knife or something when he pulls it out.
Ellen: But they often have like a screw on them anyway, don’t they? So it could be any of that.
Bex: So while he’s opening the bottle of the wine, uh, Maddie comes in and tells Doug that she’s made him, uh, a mix, like a Spotify mix of all of his favourite songs and she’s just so eager and so desperate. that this be good, that he likes what she has done for him. It’s so painful.
Ellen: She looks like, I don’t know, I don’t think she looks scared necessarily, but yeah, she looks worried that he’s not going to like it.
Bex: There’s very, there’s a lot of [00:15:00] apprehension that if she has got this mix wrong, it’s not going to go well for her. But for the moment it appears that Doug’s in a good mood because, he’s listening to the music and and the, the artists that she’s listed that are on the playlist and says that they are the greatest love songs ever written and that every one of them reminds him of her.
Ellen: So he can be charming.
Alice: So could Ted Bundy.
Bex: Apparently. But he’s, he’s in a good mood. He’s there celebrating.
Alice: Yeah, Maddieddy calls him sweet, um, he says that he’s the heart surgeon that stole your heart. So I think this is the first time we find out he’s a surgeon.
Bex: I don’t think we really find out much about Doug except that he’s an arsehole.
Alice: Um, so he’s a surgeon, he’s the chief of cardiothoracic medicine, and he’s the second youngest to become the chief of cardiothoracic medicine in the state. Um, he does make a comment that his father would say close but not quite.
Bex: [00:16:00] Yeah. So Doug has daddy issues. Yeah.
Alice: Yeah. I mean this, it’s 9-1-1 daddy issues right here anyway.
But yeah, Doug says that they’re celebrating, so clearly he’s just been promoted, they’re celebrating this and Maddie’s got some wine glasses that she’s put on the bench and Doug tells her to put them away and he gets like the wedding crystal. Like Maddie mentioned, like it’s big, like crystal wine glasses and Maddie mentions that haven’t used them since the, since the wedding.
And Doug says it’s one of the few things he has left of his mother, but Maddie needs to toast softer this time because the chip is still there. And one, like Doug, they don’t heal themselves. So like, of course the chip’s still there. But like, it’s just such a dig at Maddie to be like, will you chip these glasses next time?
Like do better this time?
Bex: He’s got mummy issues and daddy issues. Cause it’s not just that she chipped the glasses, [00:17:00] it’s that This, these are the only things that he has left of his dear departed mother.
Alice: Yeah.
Bex: And if, and Maddie is slowly chipping away at the memory of his mother. Mm hmm. So they pour the wine and they toast, they take the glasses out to this little patio area as the music plays and they’re dancing and it’s It looks, it looks so loving and wonderful and
Alice: Doug calls her his good luck girl.
Bex: Yeah, he makes a point of, um, taking the glass out of Maddie’s hand and very pointedly putting it on the coffee, the little patio table, um, while they’re dancing with a “We don’t want to be dropping this. Don’t want to be breaking it. I’m going to set it down here.” And then spins her into the coffee table.
Where the wine glass falls and smashes on the [00:18:00] ground. And Maddie immediately goes into panic mode and just whirls around, stares at Doug, waiting for his reaction. And he’s all like, you know, “Accidents happen, right?” Maddie’s sort of looking at him going, maybe he’s not going to hurt me over this. Hmm.
Which he follows up with, you know, “My mother always used to say that an accident is just an opportunity to learn. The problem is, Maddie, you never do.” And then he punches her.
Ellen: And then she wakes up. In the car. Um, she’s been
Bex: Does she wake up? I don’t know whether she wakes up or whether he’s punched her again. And like, so he’s like, punched her back into reality.
Ellen: I thought she was like dreaming or daydreaming or, and she just sort of jolts into reality.
Bex: It was really interesting the way they cut it, so as he punches her she sort of [00:19:00] spins to the side and then she’s sort of, the motion continues and she’s in the car.
Ellen: Yeah, okay.
Bex: Yeah, maybe she, maybe.
Ellen: I just assumed that she was dozing or, you know, if they’ve been driving all night.
Have we heard him say this, accident is an opportunity to learn thing before in the show? Because I was watching it, this scene and I had the biggest deja vu. I was like, Oh, we’ve heard this before. And
Bex: I don’t think we’ve specifically heard this, but there, the Christmas episode. he did tell her it’s not quite right but you’ll do better next time.
Ellen: Yeah. Yeah, I don’t know, I must have been thinking of something else, but I was just like, oh, deja vu, I’ve heard this before. Maybe I’ve seen this, this particular clip or something in a Instagram or something. So they’re driving, it’s still nighttime, right? [00:20:00]
Bex: Yeah, I think it’s only, it hasn’t been that long since he grabbed Maddie.
We get a little bit of a, an exposition about, um, where basically Doug blames what happens to Chimney on Maddie.
Ellen: Yeah, so it can’t have been too long, otherwise they would have already had this conversation. So she, she asks him if he’s dead, and Doug just says he’s not our problem anymore.
Bex: If he’s not dead yet, he will be. Like, great, Doug.
Ellen: Yeah, like, okay.
Alice: Then he straight up tells her that Chimney and him were friends.
Bex: Which is really interesting, because that kind of snaps Maddie out of it.
Ellen: Yeah, well, she’s surprised to hear.
Bex: She’s, she’s, that’s the point that she kind of, like, she’s upset, she’s absolutely frantic about Chimney, but as soon as she hears that he and Doug, he and, that Doug and Chimney were friends, she’s like, wait.
Something else is happening here. Yeah, like, how
Alice: long have you [00:21:00] been here? Yeah. Because this isn’t just, like, he can’t just say he was mad and snapped.
Bex: Yeah, this isn’t a crime of opportunity. She’s realizing that he has been planning this. Yeah. And we do, we do get a little bit of, um, I know we were sort of talking about why was he following Chimney.
Um, why wasn’t he just following Buck? And He does kind of explain it a little bit. He says that he initially saw her with Buck. So he was following Buck first. Maybe I’m this whole thing still doesn’t quite explain that part. But he says that he saw Maddie with Buck and thought she just needs Maddie needs some time.
Give her some space and she’ll go home. And then Chimney told me that you asked him out and he realized that he had waited too long.
Ellen: So he was just waiting for her to come back to him and keep keeping an eye on her in the [00:22:00] meantime. But then he needed to get Chim out of the way.
Alice: Maddie tries to like appease him.
She’s like, no, no, like, just pull over. We can talk. It’s not too late. And Doug has none of it. He’s like, “It’s too late. I, I killed a man for you. There’s no coming back from that.”
Bex: Most girls just like flowers, Doug.
Ellen: You know, you can use your words. You don’t have to use a knife.
Alice: It’s one of those fanfic tropes that I’m like, not into in real life.
Bex: Yes.
Ellen: This is like murder husbands, but worse. But like, it’s not, it’s not sweet and cute when it’s happening in real life.
Alice: No,
Ellen: no.
Alice: So we, we then cut to the hospital and. Eddie’s walking through the front doors and he’s like looking around and he sees Hen and he’s like, I got here as fast as I could. How’s he doing?
It just made me laugh so much because he walks in like [00:23:00] so slow. He just like casually strolls in. He’s like, I got here as fast as I could. It’s like, did you though? And, and like, cause like you didn’t even run through the front door.
Ellen: This is like totally not relevant, but he’s in his civvies and he looks amazing.
Alice: He just, there’s, there’s no mustache. I’m very confused as to who this guy is.
Ellen: You didn’t recognize him with that?
Alice: No. I am like, who the fuck is this guy walking in?
Bex: Hello new member of the 118!
Alice: Who are you talking to about Chimney? This is a breach of like,
Ellen: I do love how they’re all there though. They’re all off shift and they’re all there.
Yeah. Um, you know, hanging out to waiting to hear.
Alice: Yeah. They’re really cementing that whole family.
Bex: But it’s nice that they invited the B shift along as well.
Ellen: Yeah, they’re all there, yeah.
Alice: Who’s at the 118 then?
Bex: I have no idea.
Alice: Like a call comes through and just no one rocks up.
Ellen: Is there a C shift? Like, they’re more than everyone who’s not on shift.
Alice: Is it the B shift there or [00:24:00] is it the rest of A shift?
Ellen: No one is sleeping in the 118 at all. It’s just ever.
Bex: Maybe, maybe they took the 118 offline.
Alice: Yeah, I’m assuming they just pulled the Anyway, so Hen gives us the status, um, Chim’s alive, but he’s got a punctured lung and a lacerated stomach. Um, he’s lost a lot of blood, so he can’t be in surgery yet, but as soon as he’s stable, they’ll prep him.
Bex: Then Eddie’s going to transition us to the next scene. And this episode, the scenes are so damn short.
Ellen: They are, yeah.
Bex: It works in this instant because they use they transition neatly across.
Ellen: It keeps the tension high, yeah.
Bex: But can you imagine the, you’re like, Ryan gets his sides and for this scene he has two lines. So that’s, like, he’s got to go on set and do two lines.
Alice: No wonder he walked in because he’s like, no, I’m getting paid for my day.
Bex: Says his two lines and they’re like, okay, cut, right, we’re gonna move [00:25:00] on to the next scene.
Alice: Ryan, can you go a little bit faster? Oh, hell no.
Ellen: Is, is Buck there? He doesn’t have his, he’s got his slow mo mode on?
Bex: No, because Eddie goes, who would do something like this, and it cuts to Buck, who is at Maddie’s apartment.
Ellen: Right, that’s why he’s slow.
Bex: Who says it was Doug. Because, and I, I love that in the, the group chat before, when you were watching this episode, Ellen, you were railing at like, why has nobody figured out?
Where Maddie is, and what’s happened to her. Um, but Buck’s gotcha. Buck’s figured it out.
Ellen: Yeah, he knows what’s going on.
Bex: Yes. He’s the only one who, who’s figured it out. But they’re kind of treating him like they’re the idiot kid. Um, because everyone thinks that Doug is still
Alice: Yeah, because clearly Doug can’t get on an airplane or drive a car.
Yeah. Like, no, he’s in Pennsylvania. He couldn’t possibly get to L. A. Like there’s a huge wall up around the city, like pfft.
Ellen: I mean, we weren’t sure at [00:26:00] the time, uh, we weren’t sure how, how much Buck knew about, you know, how, how bad, like how far he would go to try to get Maddie back. Like he had, he probably had some inkling of how, you know, how bad it had to be for Maddie to want to get out so badly, but maybe that he didn’t really realize it would go this far.
Alice: Until now. Because like, as an older sister, like, there’s no way I’d tell my baby brother the shit that exes have done, like, that’s just something, you know, they don’t need to know. So I’m sure Buck knew parts of it, but not all of it. And it’s a big jump from, like, you know, the guy that tossed around his sister a bit to a guy who actually tried to kill what Buck would have, like, essentially a stranger.
Yeah.
Bex: Yeah. It doesn’t help that we’ve got Detectives Marks back here. And if anyone is uncertain as to why we’re having that reaction, [00:27:00] um, we last saw Marks in Season 1 where he basically told Abby that she was being overly emotional.
Ellen: Oh, it’s that guy! Okay.
Bex: Yes! When she was trying to tell him that she was, she witnessed a murder by hearing it over a 9-1-1 call. And he’s like, no, you’re just an overwrought female.
Alice: Because that was domestic violence too, wasn’t it?
Bex: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Alice: Yeah. So this, this guy,
Bex: this guy just, yeah, it just doesn’t get it. Um, thankfully Buck’s got his parents there to, um, to back him up. And Athena is 100% on his side telling Marks that,
Ellen: Yeah, when we say his parents, we mean Athena and Bobby, not his actual parents.
Bex: Those are his parents, what are you talking about?
Alice: Yeah, Buck doesn’t have any other parents.
Ellen: For a while I was like, why the hell is Athena here? And then I remembered that she and Bobby actually, like, were probably together.
Alice: Oh, I can guarantee you, like, as soon as Buck got off the phone with 9-1-1, [00:28:00] he called Bobby.
And was like, Pops, I don’t know what to do.
Ellen: And then Athena was like, I’m coming with you. It’s like, okay.
Alice: Yeah. And then Bobby’s just like, uh, can I invite my actual police officer girlfriend?
Ellen: Cause she was in her civvies. I was confused. I’m like, why is she in her civvies? But yeah.
Bex: Cause it’s Friday night.
This would be date night. They were probably on a date. Like they were having date night, but I’ve just interrupted that.
Ellen: There is no way that Athena would miss a chance to get her fingers into the pie.
Bex: Exactly.
Ellen: She was all over it. Um, also she’s like, you know, buddies with Maddie, so she probably worried, um.
Bex: She’s got a bit of a vested interest in this. Yes.
Alice: Anyway, yeah, so Marks is very dismissive. He’s just like, yeah, whatever. And Athena’s like, no, like she was filing for divorce. That would have put her back on his radar.
Bex: Marks, Marks is interested in this Jason Bailey guy. He’s like, “I don’t know about an ex husband, but I’ve got our vic saying that Jason has got her, so I’m going to go after this [00:29:00] Jason guy with everything that I’ve got,” and Buck is the one that puts the two and two together and says, no, Jason is Doug, and he wants Marks to go through Chimney’s phone and confirm that Jason is Doug and Doug is Jason. And here’s where, here’s where I got confused about the phones, because they have the crime scene in the atrium where Chimney was assaulted and his phone is on the ground next to the flowers which are now stained completely pink with Chim’s blood. Either that or they put down the wrong bouquet and some of the flowers were pink because I swore he had an all white bouquet in the last episode. But, the phone that Buck was calling 9-1-1 from was on the ground.
And that’s Chimney’s phone.
Ellen: Was it?
Bex: So, [00:30:00] I don’t know. There is a phone on the ground. In the same position. that we saw when Buck was talking and he had Josh on speakerphone. And it’s in the same position that Chimney’s phone is now in.
Ellen: But he picked up that, he, he had the phone with him when he was in the house.
Bex: But where did he get that phone from? Because he didn’t, like, the paramedics can’t, I don’t know.
Ellen: Oh,
Alice: I think the paramedics probably took it, I don’t know. Don’t, don’t think about it.
Bex: Again, like I said, it’s one of these, it’s the details are going to drive me insane because I have no idea what’s going on with the phones, but, um, so, but the point of the, before I got distracted by the details was that they cannot check Chimney’s phone because he has it locked and they cannot unlock it.
Alice: Yeah, and because he’s still alive, like they can’t unlock it without the victim’s consent.
Bex: Yes. Um, to which Buck kind of says, bet.[00:31:00]
Um, Athena says that they will subpoena the phone records and, and like do things legally and it’ll be fine, but it’s just going to have, it’s going to take time.
Alice: She doesn’t even say it’ll be fine. She’s like, “It’ll take time.” And she’s basically like winking at him while she does this. And Buck’s like, “Maddie doesn’t have time,” and Athena’s like, yeah, “What a shame,” like gesturing to the phone and like, um.
Bex: And then finally Buck goes, “oh yeah, um, hey, can I go change my shirt? Can I go back into the apartment while you guys stay here, um, and change my shirt? Cause you know, I’m covered in blood and I don’t want to be in this shirt anymore. Also I need an excuse to like, walk away.”
Alice: Yeah, I’m just so covered in blood.
Bex: So they let him go change his shirt.
Alice: Oh, Bobby calms him down before that too. So like, Athena’s like winking and pointing at the phone and Buck’s still spiraling and Bobby’s like, “No, no, listen, like, calm down. Maybe you’re right and it’s Doug. Maybe he [00:32:00] found out where Maddie was. He hurt Chimney, but Maddie’s not here. So if all he wanted to do was kill her…” and Buck’s like, “Then I would have found her too.” And Bobby’s like, “And you didn’t. So she was alive when he took her and that’s what we’re going to hold on to.” And that’s where he sort of like. realizes that Athena’s literally like got a laser pointer at the phone and like circling it rapidly.
Um, and he’s like, “Oh, right. Yeah. I just need to go inside for a minute.”
Ellen: I thought Athena got mad at him later for taking the phone.
Bex: Oh, no, she, she does, because he did,
Alice: but like, he was, for 30 seconds, like not even 30 seconds.
Bex: We’re also making fun of this completely.
Alice: Yeah. Cause like Athena, like, there’s no way Athena doesn’t know that Buck’s going to be Buck here.
But she’s, yeah, she says later, like, anyway, it doesn’t matter. So, um, So, Buck goes inside to change my shirt, to change his shirt.
Bex: The grown ups have a [00:33:00] conversation while Buck is And, I know we joke that he has, like, giraffe legs and runs so fast, but he is gone for literally ten seconds. So
Alice: I’m just really sad that we didn’t get to watch him take off his shirt and get changed.
Bex: So he has sprinted into Maddie’s apartment, managed to find clean clothes, take off the old clothes, put them in a bag and given them to a crime scene tech as Marks has requested because technically he is evidence. Um, and then. We see him over Bobby’s shoulder kind of mosey, very casually, back through the atrium.
And then the camera, oh so conveniently, cuts back to Athena, who very conveniently has her back to the atrium. And then Buck interrupts the grown [00:34:00] ups and says, “Hey Cap, can you take me to the hospital?” And he’s got like this sheepskin jacket, um, sort of folded in his hands and he’s sort of fussing with it.
In front of his body. Um, as he sort of shoves the phone into the folds of the coat so that nobody notices that he’s picked it up.
Ellen: Act natural! Don’t be suspicious.
Bex: Don’t be suspicious. Just don’t be suspicious.
The timing! There is no way that he would have had time to have run upstairs, got changed, got back down, and picked up the phone in the time that it takes to, for Athena to explain to the audience that the most dangerous time for a woman is when she leaves.
Yeah. In situations like these. Yeah,
Alice: so most dangerous part is that, is when they leave. Maddie knew that, which is why she was in hiding, but Marks is convinced that Maddie’s dead. Well,
Bex: he’s just a big bundle of sunshine, isn’t he?
Alice: Yeah, he’s literally like, yeah, [00:35:00] “Someone needs to tell the kid that, like, like someone needs to prepare the kid for the bad news.”
And Bobby’s like, “Okay, like that’s a bit sad.”
Ellen: But he does, he says that it rarely ends well.
Alice: Yeah. So while Dad takes Buck to hospital with like his random folded up jacket that absolutely doesn’t have a bloody phone in it. Athena asks if anyone saw anything, so there’s no witnesses. They’re still trying to access her security footage, which is weird, because surely Buck would have access to it, and he was right there.
Bex: Yeah, I’ve got this app on my phone, I can download it. Or
Alice: Like, “No, I can’t without, you know, the victim’s permission, and Buck’s like, I’m literally standing here giving you my phone.” Like, nah. Nah, we’ve gotta subpoena it. Gotta get a warrant. Gotta get some doughnuts.
But yeah, a camera across the street, which apparently they managed to get.
Bex: [00:36:00] Didn’t need a subpoena for that one.
Alice: Um, caught a man forcing her into his car. So they know that she’s been kidnapped and he’s still just like, yeah, you know, she’s probably around. But it’s a four door, four door sedan that’s dark in color and Athena’s like, yeah, it doesn’t exactly narrow the search and then she turns around and realizes that the phone’s gone.
Yeah.
Bex: Oh, gee, I wonder where the phone is gone.
Alice: Yeah, when, when Buck went over to the phone, Athena turned her back on him and like looked up at the sky and like, I was like, “Oh my God, Marks. What’s that?” And Marks was like, “what?” “Oh, up, up there. Did you see it?”
Ellen: “What in the world could that be?”
Alice: “Oh, sorry. It was some dust on, yeah. Nothing. It was a seagull. Shit.”
Um.
Bex: But. But I do love, the, the wonderful, the one good thing about all these little like snippets of scenes is that they do transition wonderfully because we [00:37:00] get Athena going, “Where’s Chimney’s phone?” And then we cut to Buck in the ICU, trying to see
Alice: where Chimney’s phone is.
Ellen: Opening Chimney’s phone with his own thumb.
Alice: So Buck somehow has snuck into the ICU, even though he’s six foot seven.
Ellen: Yeah.
Alice: Um, and like, super stealthy, 99 percent muscle. He has just walked straight into the ICU. He goes over to Chimney with the phone in his hand, um, apologizing to him, and he’s starting to try and unlock the phone with his, like, fingerprint, because it was back before, like, facial recognition was a thing.
Bex: Oh my god, could you imagine if it was facial recognition?
Alice: Oh, so much easier.
Ellen: Just shove the phone in his face.
Alice: Literally just like, yoink, done. And a nurse is like, Hey, you’re not supposed to be in here. Buck, like in an Oscar winning performance,
Bex: a golden raspberry winning performance collapses, he collapses on top of Chim, but it’s, but it’s [00:38:00] like, it’s like the, “Oh no, don’t die, please. God, don’t let him die.”
Alice: All the while, the nurse is like, “You have to go back to the lobby. What are you doing?” “You can’t die on me.” And then as soon as the phone clicks, it unlocks. He’s like, yeah, okay, bye.
Because as he’s fallen over
Ellen: He just walks out with a grin on his face.
Alice: Yeah, like that’s literally it. It’s so stupid.
Bex: But the, but the great thing is he doesn’t even walk out. He walks like three steps away, grinning to himself, starting to scroll through Chimney’s phone. And Athena says. Um, you know, Detective Marks didn’t believe me.
He said that nobody could be that stupid. And Buck sort of looks over and she goes, I said, you don’t know Buck. And she’s standing there with two LAPD officers flanking her.
Alice: At this point, she’s thrown away the laser pointer that she used to like circle the phone back at Maddie’s apartment. [00:39:00]
Bex: And then so Buck ends up in hospital jail.
Alice: I love this so much, like, it’s such a sad episode, and then Eddie and Buck have one interaction the whole episode, and it just makes the episode the best.
Bex: The hospital jail is just a bench in a hallway somewhere.
Alice: Yeah, it’s just a bench in a hallway, um, but an LAPD officer is watching over him.
Bex: And I think this is hilarious, Oliver is sitting with his hands behind his back, as he’s sitting on the bench.
So every single time I watch this, I think that they have handcuffed him.
Ellen: Yeah, I thought he was handcuffed until he
Bex: And it’s only when he starts gesticulating when he’s talking, when Eddie comes in and I realize, oh no, he’s not handcuffed. He’s just pouting with his hands behind his back.
Alice: Um, anyway, so Eddie comes in, And literally just says, “So that was a bold move.”
And Buck’s like, “Yeah, I know. What were you thinking, [00:40:00] Buck? I already got an earful from Athena.”
Ellen: I think Athena’s probably gone back out there to the rest of them and gone, “Oh, you’ll never guess what Buck just said.”
Alice: Um, So Athena and Bobby are off to the side, Athena’s on the phone, and Bobby’s just like, disappointed dad.
He’s like, his arms are crossed over his chest, he’s just glaring at Buck like, you got my wife in trou like, you got my, um, girlfriend in trouble, now I’m gonna be in trouble.
Bex: I know the whole point of Bobby being pissed at Buck is that he’s jeopardizing Athena’s career.
Alice: Oh yeah, that’s literally it.
Bex: But it comes off as disappointed dad.
Alice: It comes off as disappointed dad, um, and Eddie’s like, “No no, I know what you’re thinking, I’ve got sisters. I, I would have done the same thing. I just don’t know how you thought you were getting away with it.” And Buck sort of like explains himself. He’s like, “Well, I wasn’t worried. Cause like, police have all these rules, you know, rules that are going to get Maddie killed, but, but I’m a civilian. Those rules, they don’t apply to me. Right?”
Bex: Well, he’s not wrong.
Alice: And Eddie just completely [00:41:00] deadpans, “Then why are you in hospital jail?” And like Eddie Diaz be serious for two seconds challenge. Like
Ellen: But he obviously thinks it’s hilarious that Buck is in a hospital jail.
Bex: He’s loving this. And I mean, Buck is not wrong.
Unfortunately, um, for Buck, the rules that Marks and Athena are working on, are very important if they had found Maddie and they needed to put, like, Doug on trial for assaulting Chimney and kidnapping Maddie and assaulting Maddie. Um, if you just trying to find Maddie, then yeah, the rules are stupid and they’re getting in the way.
But for everything that comes after finding Maddie, they need those rules because otherwise they will have absolutely nothing to pin on Doug.
Ellen: That’s why they have their procedures. Yeah.
Bex: Yes. The procedures might get in the way sometimes, but they are important.
Ellen: Mm hmm. And the thing [00:42:00] is that Even though Eddie is extremely unserious, um, Buck has tears in his eyes, he is like obviously extremely stressed.
Bex: He’s so small. Like, I don’t know how he makes that, like, giant frame be so small, but he’s absolutely sort of folded in upon himself.
Ellen: Yeah.
Alice: Yeah, he’s literally blaming himself, which is really sad. He, he’s like, “Yeah, like I told her to stop running, told her that she could start over, that she’d be safe, that I’d keep her safe.”
And Eddie is just like, “This isn’t your fault. If she kept running, he would have found her, but then she’d be alone.”
Bex: Buck completely does not believe him, like he flounces and sort of throws himself around on the chair. Like, but no, but it is my fault.
Alice: Anyway, so Athena comes back, Bobby’s still just behind [00:43:00] her with his arms crossed being disappointed. Um, Athena was on the phone to Detective Marks, who is not happy with him. Buck broke chain of custody, unlocked Chimney’s phone without his permission, so Marks can’t use any of it. And Buck’s like, “look, I’m sorry, okay, I was trying to help.”
And Athena’s like, “Okay, let’s go, car’s out front.” Um, Buck’s like, “You’re, you’re arresting me?” And Athena’s like, “Not yet. Night’s still young.”
Bex: Athena leaves. Buck does like a double take between Athena and Bobby. And Bobby just kind of gestures in a well, kind of go on then, off you go. Um, and then they cut to Athena, Buck and Bobby walking through the doors out of hospital jail. Eddie ceases to exist at this point. They’ve obviously, they’ve done coverage of them inside hospital jail and then they’ve sent Ryan [00:44:00] home because he is still in hospital jail.
Alice: He took too long to walk through those doors, so like he’s done for the day.
Bex: So these three walk out of hospital jail Eddie does not. Eddie is just forever in hospital jail.
Ellen: He’s there until Shannon comes to fetch him.
Bex: Shannon bails him out of hospital jail.
Ellen: Yeah.
Alice: Yeah, the LAPD officer’s just like, “where do you think you’re going?” And Eddie’s like, “No, I’m not, fuck, I didn’t unlock the…” “Sit back down.”
Okay.
Bex: So the, but the point of the rest of the scene is that Athena is, um, acting, purely as a civilian, and she is going to go and find Maddie, because while Marks might not be able to use any of the evidence that comes out of Chimney’s phone, Athena can, and she’s taking Buck with her.
Alice: Yeah, Athena’s just a concerned friend of the victim.
Bex: But before they leave, um, Bobby gives Buck the, uh, the parental lecture. Like, it’s [00:45:00] like, “Here are the ground rules. You don’t leave her sight, you don’t lie, you don’t withhold any information, you don’t break the law, and you do not do anything that’s going to force her into early retirement.” Which, again, it’s that you are not going to do anything that’s going to jeopardize my wife’s career, um, but it’s coming off as you listen to your mother.
Alice: Literally, like, you listen to your mother, or you’re going to be grounded when you get home. Um, and Buck goes, yes, Dad. I mean, you got it, Cap. Yes.
Ellen: But he does say thank you to Athena as well, like, as the penny drops, and he realises that Athena is going to help him, uh, he says thank you. Then Bobby lays down the law.
Alright, so we go back to Doug and Maddie, they’re still driving.
Bex: Yeah, because that’s pretty much the, the last of the last, the lightheartedness of this episode. Yeah. That I just saw downhill from here.
Ellen: It’s back into the drama. Um, they’re running out of petrol, of, sorry, gas, [00:46:00] um. And okay, so this is the part where we assume that they have been driving in circles for hours because, well, maybe we’ll get to that later when they actually end up at Big Bear, but they, he’s looking for this gas station so they can fill up and we, they, they show that Maddie’s hands have been like zip tied together, which is so brutal.
And she just says to him, “Just do it. Just, just kill me. Like, that’s, that’s what, that’s your plan, right?” And she says, “Kill Chimney, kill me, hopefully do the world a favor, and kill yourself before it’s done.” It’s like, whoa, okay.
Bex: And Doug’s response is, “Why would I kill you, Maddie? I don’t want to hurt you. I love you.”
You don’t want to hurt her. Dude, you’ve zip tied her hands, her face is covered with blood from where you punched her.
Ellen: Yeah, he’s just completely delusional at this point. [00:47:00]
Bex: I guess this is the point where, like, I’m not the one hurting you, you’re the one that’s hurting yourself.
Ellen: Yeah, you have pushed me to this limit, like, this is all your fault.
Uh, um, they finally get to the gas station and he pulls up near the pumps and
Bex: Which is not a gas and sip, interestingly enough.
Ellen: Oh. They’ve gone to a different chain. He tells her not, not to move before he gets out of the car. And Maddie’s just sort of looking around to see what she can do to try and get away.
Bex: So while Doug is pumping, which interesting, cause I thought that in America you had to pay for your gas before you could start pumping.
Alice: I, I think it depends on the state, because like some states, Okay. They can’t even pump their own gas, like.
Ellen: People who, people of California, let us know, is this correct?
Bex: So apparently at this little, uh, gas market, you can do it the Aussie way, which is you fill up your tank and then you can go in and [00:48:00] pay for it. Um, and while he is pumping the petrol, Doug’s phone chimes and he gets a text message which says abduction alert, and it is for Maddie, which, again, my brain got caught up on the details and I started going down a rabbit hole because that’s not what it would look like, I don’t think.
Again, we would need California residents to chime in and tell me, but I’m pretty sure that it would not say abduction alert, it would be an endangered missing advisory alert.
Alice: Yeah. We just have Crimestoppers on Facebook here.
Ellen: Yeah, well I was gonna say, why would he have got a message on his phone unless he was, he might have been subscribed.
I wonder if he was checking it. Yeah, he might have been subscribed to I,
Bex: I did, I did, um, have a look at this. There is the emergency advisory. Um, system in the US where things like Amber alerts, which are for, um, child [00:49:00] abductions as well as severe weather. Um, the government will just push out, tech, push out text messages to anybody within the area.
Ellen: Wow, that sounds really spammy for like a, a big city.
Bex: Like, um, when I was looking this up, there were, I got onto a Reddit thread ’cause I love Reddit. Um. Where people were complaining that, you know, they’re getting Amber Alerts and their phones are going off at three in the morning with Amber Alerts and they’re like, you know, I’m, I feel for these kids, um, I wish I could do something to help, but it’s 3 a. m. and this kid is like 500 miles away. What am I supposed to do from my bed at 3 a. m. if this kid has been abducted? Um, so it is, it’s just an automated warning system that goes out once they’ve, the police have decided that Maddie’s situation warrants an alert going out. Um, but it would not be, I do not think it would have been called an abduction [00:50:00] alert.
Interestingly, they all, they, as well as, um, endangered missing advisory alerts and amber alerts, they also have alerts for hit and runs. They are yellow alerts. Huh. Um, then there are blue alerts for, I believe that’s veterans and, and, um, first responders, silver alerts for elderly people and feather alerts for indigenous people.
Oh wow. Who are all missing and presumed to be in danger.
Alice: Kind of related to that, because you two live in different states. Do you guys have like an emergency app?
Ellen: An app? No, not an actual app.
Bex: Not an app, no, but apparently my phone will give me emergency warnings.
Ellen: Yeah, we do. We’ve, we’ve got, um, a lot of the time we have storm warnings from the insurance companies.
Like they will get, if our [00:51:00] insurance company that we’re with for our house insurance will send us a text message.
Alice: I don’t have a house.
Ellen: To say, Hey,
Alice: Can’t relate.
Ellen: But, um, it like totally unrelated to this, a couple of weeks ago, people in the Brisbane area got a text message, like a push, a push text message, um, with a tsunami warning and it was, it was like a test, but they didn’t actually, apparently they didn’t have any…
warning, like there was no words on there saying it was a test. So everyone’s just like, what is this? I didn’t get one, but. But we’re a fair way inland here, so I don’t know.
Alice: Was it, Hawaii? It’s got like a massive
Bex: The missile that was on the way to wipe out Hawaii and it was because someone had pressed the wrong button.
Ellen: I don’t know, but they had to like, I don’t even know who was responsible for it, but they had to like, apologize and suck up so much after that because everyone was really like, you can’t just go sending stuff like this out to everyone. Like even [00:52:00] as a test.
Alice: So we’ve, we’ve got an app called Vic Emergency, which is why like What made me realize that it’s not for other States because it’s called Vic emergency, obviously.
Um, but we can like set like zones, like watch zones basically. So like, I’ve got a watch zone for my house and my parents house. And it tells you like, any time there’s like a fire or like incident. Um, and like, mostly it’s like, you know, When like the fire brigade have come out. So like, it’ll show like a little fire icon and you just click it and it says building fire, but I live just down from a fire station.
And so whenever I hear the trucks go, I’ll be like, Oh, what’s going on? Oh, it’s another false alarm at the shopping center. Um, but like, it tells you like when bushfires are happening and. The most annoying thing was during the pandemic, it would constantly, like, tell you every day that there was a pandemic, like, it’d just have a pandemic warning all [00:53:00] the time.
Bex: The Reddit thread that I was in where they were talking about the, um, emergency alerts was saying, you know, during the pandemic, it was going off daily and they couldn’t shut it off.
Alice: Yeah, literally every day it’d be like, warning for, um, for global pandemic. I’m like,
Ellen: yeah, we’re aware,
Alice: we’re, it’s, it’s the middle of 2021 now, like we, we got it.
Um, and then yeah, people kept like complaining, so they had to like turn it off. But,
Ellen: um, I think I usually, if I need to know what’s going on, like things like that, I just go on our local Facebook page and someone has always answered, someone’s always asking, like, why is there a helicopter flying around the neighborhood?
Oh, that’s because
Alice: Always the helicopters. Oh my God. Always the helicopters. Um, yeah. Yeah, I’ve also got flight radar too, just so I can track the helicopters. But it was, there was a, like, it was clearly a police helicopter the other day, for some reason, like a lot of the time, police helicopters don’t show in flight radar for like obvious reasons.
but it showed that it was a plane doing [00:54:00] circles and I’m like looking up at this helicopter and I’m like, that’s the weirdest looking plane I’ve ever seen. But also planes can’t do circles like that.
Ellen: They don’t circle that easily.
Bex: Not like that, no.
Alice: Like, that’s not how planes work.
Bex: Maybe it’s a plane from 9-1-1.
Ellen: But they don’t do that either, they just crash into the ocean. Anyway.
Bex: Um,
Alice: let’s not talk about season eight.
Ellen: Poor Maddie.
Bex: No, she was talking about season one.
Alice: No, no, Ellen was, but Yep.
Bex: Yeah. Okay. So, yes.
Ellen: I’m confused, anyway, go on.
Bex: Um, so Doug has received an, uh, emergency alert alerting him that Maddie has been abducted.
Like, duh, he knows that, he was the one that abducted her. Um, but it pisses him off because
Alice: He’s like, oh, holy shit, Maddie, are you okay? Apparently you got abducted.
Bex: Because he’s realized that people have realized that she’s missing. Um, and it’s probably, I mean, it’s 4am by this point, but it’s probably a bit [00:55:00] sooner than he was expecting.
So he, um, he lashes out in anger and then goes in to pay for the petrol that he’s just pumped. And we’re going to jump back to 9-1-1 dispatch, where Josh is about to perjure himself. Um, because Athena is trying to find Doug. And she wants to know if you can track people when they call 9-1-1.
Ellen: Yeah, I was confused by how this was working in this scene. I was like, what? Who called 9-1-1? Why are you tracking, like, who called 9-1-1? Like, I was so, just, yeah. Explain this scene to me.
Bex: It starts off a little bit like, exposition. And then explain to everybody, like, they’re five. Which is, if you call 9-1-1 from a landline, 100 percent they [00:56:00] will be able to know exactly where you are calling from.
Um, if you’re calling from a cell phone, you don’t get the automatic address, but you can kind of triangulate locations based on
Ellen: you have to request, um, the location from the tower. Yes. From the cell carrier. Um,
Bex: and Athena, who is now in possession of the purloined phone, says
Alice: But she’s clearly just like tapping constantly to make sure it doesn’t go to sleep.
Bex: Hypothetically, if this number called 9-1-1 and hung up, is your system able to request location data after the call was disconnected? And Sue is still on the track of, you know, legally this is what we’d have to do. Josh is like, “Oh, you know what? I think that number did call 9-1-1. I think I can pull up there.”
They, I can pull up those records. [00:57:00] Yeah. I’m not entirely sure what he’s doing there either.
Ellen: Yeah. Why, how is that helping them find where Doug is? Like she, she’s, she now knows Jason’s phone number, but he can’t track Jason’s phone just based on his number. Like,
is he, is he hacking into the cell phone, like the cell network?
Like what is.
Alice: No, he’s just, he’s requesting the location data of.
Ellen: Oh, of Doug’s phone.
Alice: Of Doug’s phone, because he’s pretending that he.
Bex: He’s pretending that Doug called 9-1-1.
Ellen: That makes more sense.
Alice: He’s like, no, I’m pretty sure I got it.
Ellen: All right. All right. Like he’s. I was just like, what, why is she tracking a 9-1-1 call?
What is going on here? Okay, clearly I needed to drink a whole lot more coffee before I watched this episode because I just totally didn’t get that.
Alice: They’re um, yeah, so they’re tracking Doug’s phone, but not legally, they’re not allowed to track Doug’s phone unless there was reason for them to track Doug’s phone.
And so Josh is like, yeah, I’m pretty [00:58:00] sure this was the number that called me before.
Bex: Like there was an emergency call and we need to follow up to make sure that they’re okay. So we’re going to find the phone.
Alice: And if they like talk to him later about it, he’ll be like, I thought that was the number I must’ve typed it in wrong.
Like.
Ellen: Well, good on him.
Alice: Um. Well, he kind of likes Maddie now. Yeah.
Bex: Sue’s not going to forget this anytime soon. So while Josh is, um. bending the truth a little bit. I’m going to go back to Maddie and Doug. Um, Maddie has taken the opportunity to rummage through the rental, the car, to see if she can find anything that can help her.
And the best thing that she can find is, um, a copy of the rental agreement, which is just a piece of paper that Doug has shoved into the glove box. Um, But that’s apparently all she needs so she gets the, she takes the piece of paper and she gets out of [00:59:00] the car.
Um, and Doug has obviously paid for the, the petrol and he’s come back out and he’s like, “Hey, where are you going? Why are you out of the car?” Um, and Maddie tells him that she needs to pee. And he believes her.
Alice: Well. It, uh. Does he though?
Bex: Well, it helps that a giant 18 wheeler pulls in to the gas station behind them so he can’t really make a scene because there’s going to be a witness.
So he pulls her hair down over her face so that the cashier won’t see the absolute mess he has made of her face and takes her inside. Uh, where she, um, she asks for the key. On the, the cashier who hands it over, um, it’s like the key is on [01:00:00] this giant like chopping board of a key ring.
Alice: Yeah, it’s such a classic like gas station bathroom thing.
Yeah.
Bex: Um, but he grabs the key and puts it down on the counter in front of him for Maddie to pick up. And the cashier has been doing like a crossword puzzle, because he’s trying to keep himself awake as he’s doing the night shift. And as Maddie picks up the key, she just so happens to grab the pencil as well.
And so when she goes into the room. the bathroom.
Ellen: He sees her that she’s got blood on her face and he asks her if she’s okay.
Alice: Her face is all sorts of messed up, like the hair is doing absolutely nothing. Like she’s got a black eye, she’s got bruises all down one of her cheeks, and he’s just like, uh,
Ellen: “You guys okay?”
And she’s like, yeah, yeah.
Bex: Yeah, it’s fine.
Alice: Yep, just having a road trip, you know how it goes.
Bex: Yeah, they’re on their second honeymoon, Doug tells the, uh, the cashier. [01:01:00] Hmm. So Maddie heads off to the bathroom. She starts trying to write a message on the back of the rental agreement that she’s purloined from the car and then decides that she’s going to try and escape. And starts trying to get the window to the bathroom open.
Ellen: Yeah, it takes a minute for it to open, but she, she kind of shoves something in there to lever it out of its hole and, uh, she, it’s a tiny window but she manages to climb out of it.
Bex: Onto the, um, the dumpster that’s oh so conveniently positioned under the window, making it really easy for her to, like, climb out onto it.
Ellen: She does fall down to the ground though.
Alice: But unfortunately, Doug runs straight up behind her.
Bex: Yeah, he’s figured out that she’s not peeing in that bathroom and she’s taking far too long. Um, and has come around and catches her before she can get [01:02:00] too far. But before he can do anything other than sort of growl at her, uh, the cashier has also decided that he needs to step up and do something and has followed Doug out, um, with a gun.
Alice: The first time I watched this, I was like, Yeah, go Cashier! And then I’m like, Oh no! No, Cashier! No, Cashier! No, Cashier!
Bex: He’s trying to do the right thing. He’s trying to save Maddie. He just has no idea who he’s dealing with.
Ellen: Yeah.
Bex: Doug goes into, like, charming surgeon mode. He’s like, No, no, everything’s fine. I think that, you know, I think you’ve just, there’s a misunderstanding, um, And the cashier is still trying to get Doug away from Maddie.
And so Doug lashes out, attacks the guy, and we get that classic [01:03:00] television moment where they’re both grappling for the gun and the gun is somewhere between their bodies and then the gun goes off, except in this instance, there’s no doubt as to which one of them got shot. It was, it was the cashier got shot.
Ellen: Yeah.
Alice: Yeah.
Ellen: And Maddie sort of rushes over there to see if she can help him and she says, “you’re going to be okay. I’m going to call 9-1-1 and they’re going to save you.” And. Except. Then Doug just, you hear another gunshot and he’s dead.
Bex: Yep.
Ellen: And, and Maddie just has blood all over her face.
Bex: Yeah, cause Maddie was right in front of him when Doug shot him in the I’m assuming he, like, was a headshot?
Alice: I’m assuming it was a headshot.
Ellen: I mean, he was pretty much instantly dead after that, so, ugh.
Bex: Yeah.
Ellen: And at this point, I’m just, like, looking at it going, Oh my god, so much trauma for Maddie.
Alice: Yeah, it’s awful. Like, Maddie, [01:04:00] whose job is literally to save people.
Bex: Yeah. Yeah.
The escalation for Doug as well, like he’s gone from just, you know, assaulting Maddie to stabbing Chimney and being reckless as to whether Chimney is dead or alive, to recklessly attacking this cashier. And, I mean, we can, we can argue backwards and forwards, and I was kind of arguing in my head, you know, maybe, maybe the cashier accidentally shot himself.
Maybe they were, when they were fighting for the gun, it was an accident. Um, but yeah, shooting him in the head, that’s cold blooded, premeditated, he’s gone.
Alice: Like he, Doug is desperate, like the, the escalation, like, so he, first he went in and like yelled at, I mean, obviously first he. beat Maddie around. Um, but then he like went [01:05:00] in and at least verbally abused her boss.
Ellen: Oh yeah.
Bex: Oh yeah, I forgot about that as well.
Alice: Yeah, trying to find out where she went. Yes. Um, he’s then gone across the country to like stalk her and stalk like the guy that she’s getting close to. And yeah, it’s just. Escalating. And this is why it’s so dangerous, as Athena said, the time that they’re leaving is the worst because they get desperate, like the abuser gets desperate because they feel themselves losing control.
And yeah, like he’s, like he’s gone from being calculated and being like, yep, I’m going to do this, I’m going to befriend Chimney, I’m going to do that, now he’s just getting desperate and he’s just clutching at straws.
And he’s fucking scary.
Ellen: Yeah.
Bex: Yeah.
Ellen: While Maddie’s sort of horrified at what’s unfolding, um, he grabs her and he drags her back to the car and is like, “Let’s go.”
Bex: Yeah, the last [01:06:00] line, when Maddie was trying to reassure the cashier, she says that she’s gonna call 9-1-1 and they’re going to save you. And then when Doug is dragging Maddie back to the car, he’s like, “No one is saving anyone.”
Yeah. Yeah. Like the double meaning, like the cash, no one’s saving the cashier and no one is saving you. Yeah. And then the juxtaposition between that scene and we go back to the hospital where hen has everyone in stitches telling stories about Chimney’s forays into babysitting.
Alice: Yeah, it’s just, it’s such whiplash.
Bex: Yes.
Ellen: Yeah. Yeah. I don’t even understand what this story is. Why? I mean, she’s telling stories about Chim, but, like, he was babysitting someone? Like, what?
Alice: He was babysitting Denny when Denny was a baby.
Ellen: Yeah, obviously I didn’t pay much attention this episode. Like, what? Help me. Okay, yeah. [01:07:00] Just explain the whole episode to me, it’s fine.
Bex: But the story itself is, it doesn’t really mean anything. The point of the story is that Chim always As Hen says at the end, Chimney always goes all out, he always puts his heart into everything that he does.
Alice: Like, clearly he didn’t want to bug them, like, bug Hen and Karen on their, um, date night, so he just went to an online forum and asked them instead.
Ellen: And then went for all, went for everything. All of the advice that he received, he did all of it.
Alice: Yes. I do like that, like, they, like, Eddie full on says, I missed out on all of this.
Bex: Yes.
Alice: Like, he was not there for the newborn stage. Yeah.
Bex: Yeah, so that was, that was the story that, um, Chim was babysitting a baby Denny and he could not stop crying.
So he Googled, how do you stop a baby crying? And the advice that he [01:08:00] got was you do skin to skin contact, uh, no, you, the sound of vacuum cleaner will calm them, or no, a cool breeze is soothing. So, um, Karen and Hen come home to find a shirtless Chimney, uh, asleep on the floor with Denny on his chest with a vacuum cleaner and a fan going.
Yeah. Like everything all at once.
Ellen: Oh, bless his heart.
Bex: And before we can get any more, um, slightly embarrassing but, um, heart wrenching stories about Chim, um, Michael and Harry come into the hospital carrying, uh, big paper bags full of food and many, many cups of coffee.
Ellen: Yeah. That’s nice of them to bring it down.
Bex: Yes. They, they’re handing it all out. And, and Eddie has never met Michael before, which he says to Michael, “Uh, we’ve never met, but I love you.” Referring to the fact that, um, Michael is bringing coffee and I’m just like, Edmundo, no, back up. He’s got a [01:09:00] boyfriend. Can’t have this one.
But the, Again, that, the point of that little moment was that Bobby comes over to thank, to, he gets a bear claw from the box of pastries that Harry has brought, and he thanks Michael for coming down and bringing everyone food, and Michael says, oh, actually it was Harry’s idea.
Ellen: Yeah. And he was worried about Bobby.
Bex: He was worried about Bobby.
Alice: Yeah, he wasn’t worried about Chimney, he was worried about Bobby. So sweet.
Bex: So then we’re going to have another. Short little scene with Athena and Buck, where Athena is on the phone to Detective Marks telling him that they’re going to get, the location of Doug’s phone and just don’t ask where they got it from.
Poor Marks. He’s just watching this case crumble in front of him.
Ellen: Yeah, I was, I was wondering how he was sort of, whether he was either [01:10:00] just so fed up with Athena at this point, or, you know, I guess begrudgingly grateful for some help.
Bex: He’s probably so glad the case turns out the way it was because there was no way in hell he was going to be able to actually make a case and prosecute.
Ellen: Yeah, because I stole all the evidence and
Bex: Because all the evidence was illegally obtained, a defense lawyer would have had a field day.
Ellen: Yeah.
Bex: There’s really there’s not much else to point to that scene. Um, except that
Alice: I mean, it’s just, Buck’s very sad.
Bex: Buck is very sad. He’s worried, yeah. We get that the police get Doug’s location, which then, when we cut back to Doug and Maddie, a police car is coming up on them with lights and sirens going, which I guess we’re supposed to believe for a second that they did actually manage to find Doug.
But they didn’t, um, after freaking out both of them, the police car overtakes them and shoots [01:11:00] off down the, the interstate, I think. Not a highway, it’s a freeway. I think it’s an interstate. I don’t know, the names of all of their roads confuse me sometimes.
Ellen: Yeah. And Maddie just says, we’ve got to get off this road.
And Doug’s like, “Do you think this was my fault?” And Maddie’s like, “No, no, it was my fault.” And Doug’s sort of doubling down, “That’s right, that’s what happens when you try to run away from me, Maddie. People get hurt.” And, um. Yeah, she kind of tells him she thinks he’s a monster and he just violently grabs her.
She just looks so defeated at this point, like, she looks
Alice: Yeah, she’s done.
Ellen: Really done. But she thinks, she says, “That’s what I do, I help people think clearly in a crisis.” And Doug’s like, “I am thinking clearly.” And she’s just like, yeah, “No, you’re not.” But she’s trying to help him not think [01:12:00] clearly so she can get away, I guess.
But she says she saw signs for Big Bear a few miles back, and there should be vacation homes there, and they’d be able to hide. So we looked up where Big Bear was, and it is literally two hours out of LA, and they’ve been driving all night, and,
Bex: yes,
Ellen: all morning. Um, are they driving in circles? I like, who knows?
Bex: We’ve had this whole conversation already, so, um, I’m just, we have to put it at the end of the episode. So just jump to the end of the episode where you can hear our full, like, three hour discussion on time dilation, and what exactly Doug has been doing all night if they only end up two and a half hours away from where they started from.
Ellen: Yeah.
Bex: Yes. It’s, it’s [01:13:00] ridiculous. Um, but Doug likes the idea of going to Big Bear because it’s like the Poconos, which I have no idea what that is, but apparently it’s like Big Bear. So
Alice: I assume
All I know about the Poconos is that there’s an episode of The Office where Jim Carrey mentions it.
Ellen: Of course there is. It’s probably another vacation spot,
Alice: is it? So I’m assuming it’s like East Coast.
Ellen: I’m going to Google again. Po-co-nos. It’s in Pennsylvania. It’s in the mountains. It’s in the mountains that are
Bex: Ah, so it’s mountains. Okay.
Ellen: It’s not near anything. It’s like in the middle of nowhere. . It must be like another vacation, vacationing spot.
Maybe, maybe it’s a ski area, I don’t know.
Bex: Maybe. But it appeals to Doug, so I think he’s going to listen to Maddie, and instead of, and they stop driving around in circles and start heading, the Big Bear. So as they drive off, um, we cut back to the [01:14:00] hospital, and there was this line a little bit earlier, um, where Bobby was.
He’s lamenting the fact that once again Chimney was in hospital, and once again, his girlfriend was not going to be there when he woke up, and I just love that once again Chimney’s in hospital, um, once again he wakes up, except this time it’s not Bobby sitting by his bedside waiting for him, here’s Christopher!
Alice: It’s Christopher. Cause apparently Eddie just allows anyone to babysit.
Ellen: Even not conscious people.
Bex: I don’t understand. I don’t understand how Chris got away. Like the kid is not fast.
Alice: He’s not fast. Like Eddie even mentions in an episode that the kid is not fast.
Ellen: And did none of the nurses like, question?
Alice: Well, literally Christopher just like, wanders in.
Bex: We know that he’s charming. We know that he charms nurses.
Ellen: Yeah.
Bex: But, yeah, so Chimney [01:15:00] wakes up, and Christopher is like, “Hi Chimney!” Chimney’s like, “uh, what? What? Hi?”
Alice: Like, why is there a child in here? Oh, it’s that child, right.
Bex: Um, again, the This scene is so, this scene is so cute.
So not only have we got the call back to poor old Chim waking up with people who aren’t his girlfriend next to him, um, Chris then says, “I heard you had another surgery,” and Chim says, “yeah, I’m catching up to you,” which is a call back to their kind of first conversation when he first met Chris, where Chris is asking about the scar on, um, Chimney’s forehead and Chimney’s, sort of trying to explain in a kid friendly way, like, yeah, I got hurt and I had to have surgery. Have you ever had surgery, little boy?
And they’re like, yeah, he’s had like eight at this point. Eight? Nine? Eight.
Alice: He’s had so many surgeries, yeah.
Bex: Bobby walks into the room at this point. [01:16:00] Um, just a little bit too late to be there for the, to be the first person Chimney sees when he wakes up. Um, and he notices that Chimney’s awake.
He’s like, oh, hey, you’re awake. Uh, looks like you’ve got your first visitor. And he looks at Chris and goes, does your dad know that you’re here? Um, and then his dad comes skidding into the room, like hissing, “Christopher!” Like, hmm.
Alice: Yeah, like how did you lose him, Eddie?
Bex: I’m guessing that he does not know that you were in here.
Ellen: And how long was Bobby gone for that Chris managed to sneak in?
Alice: And when did Chris get here?
Ellen: How long has he been there for?
Bex: It’s a cute scene, but don’t think about it because otherwise it falls apart.
Alice: It’s just so funny because like Christopher is not fast and like, I was, I even messaged Vex and I’m just like, how did, when did Chris get here and how? They do do that slightly Shannon dropped him off? I’m like, oh right I forgot that Shannon existed.
Bex: They do do it slightly backwards because we get the Shannon being at the hospital after this. It would have made more [01:17:00] sense if we got that first.
Alice: But the fact that both his parents are in the hospital with him and both of them were just like, “Where’s the kid?”
Ellen: I thought he was with you. No, he’s not with me.
Alice: That’s like, no, we’ve been in the janitor’s closet the whole time.
Bex: Yes. Cause they don’t talk. They do things other than talking.
Ellen: Yeah. It’s been a hot minute since we’ve seen Shannon. It’s been, so yeah,
Alice: I forgot that she existed. Yeah. Um, anyway, so yeah. Eddie’s like, “We’re worried about you,” Bobby’s like, “I wasn’t worried, I’m starting to think he’s invincible.”
Bex: Talking about Chim, talking about Chim, like, he wasn’t worried about Chris, he was worried about Chim.
Alice: No, none of us are worried about Chris, apparently, including both his parents, who just left him wandering around in a hospital.
Ellen: They just figured he was charming a nurse.
Alice: Um, but yeah, Chris very, like, um, seriously tells Chim not [01:18:00] to eat the meatloaf, because that’s how Chris lost a tooth.
But then Chim, after Eddie drags his, um, son out, Chim turns to Bobby and asks the million dollar question, which is, where’s Maddie?
Bex: Which would be the perfect time to cut back to Maddie, but we don’t. We cut back to a truck in the middle of, I have no idea where this truck is. Um, but it’s, Like, I thought it was like a salt pan, because it’s very dry and desiccated, but that’s like not those kind of things.
Ellen: I mean, there’s plenty of desert around near where Big Bear is, maybe. It’s there.
Alice: Yeah, it’s just desert. Like outside of LA, it’s just nothing. It’s just desert.
Bex: Yeah, but it’s the truck from the gas station that Doug and Maddie at, we’re at, at 4:00 AM And the, [01:19:00] the whole point of this scene is that Doug shoved his phone in the truck’s rig somewhere.
Alice: Yeah.
Bex: So when they have been tracking Doug’s location, they’ve actually been trucking tracking this truck,
Alice: Trucking a track?
Bex: They’ve been tracking the track. Yes. . Um, and had been going off in completely the wrong direction. And that’s the whole point of that scene. Mm-Hmm. . The, but there’s, is that the one thing that they had going for them, they don’t have going for them anymore. They do find out about the gas station though, that the truck did stop at the gas station. So then we’re going to go back to the hospital and here’s Shannon. Which explains how Christopher got to the hospital.
Ellen: Yeah, these two scenes do seem like they’re the wrong way around, don’t they?
Bex: Apparently Shannon bought food for everyone. Um,
Alice: yeah, so Shannon’s brought pizzas.
Bex: Because she remembers what it was [01:20:00] like to live in the hospital. And she’s trying to make it easier for, mostly for Eddie, but for everyone else as well, as they sort of camp out and wait for news for Chimney.
Ellen: Yeah, I’m not really sure why they’re all still there, like, surely they could go home and wait for a phone call to hear.
But.
Alice: No, I guess now that he’s Which is another reason why this seems like it’s the wrong way around.
Bex: Yeah, because he’s awake.
Alice: Like he’s awake now. Just go see him.
Bex: That’s a good point. Maybe this scene should have gone first and then
Alice: Yeah, and they just wouldn’t segue it well enough.
Bex: You know what? It really would because at the end of this scene sort of Shannon reaches over and puts her hand on Eddie’s With the because he tries to tell her to go home.
Um, and she says, no, I’m good here, which would then explain why they’re in the janitor’s closet. And why their son is wandering the hospital unsupervised.
Alice: And how Chris just, Chris just wandered off.
Bex: But again, super, [01:21:00] super short scene. Can you imagine Shannon’s actress has come in, she’s got like four lines.
That was her entire thing for the day. Yeah.
Alice: Yeah. I’m still just not over the fact that poor Chimney wakes up and like he, no one’s there except the seven year old that belongs to his co worker.
Ellen: Yeah, they’re all there, they’re all there at the hospital, they’re just not in the room with him.
Alice: Yeah, they’re just like, that’s fine, Chris got this shift, it’s all good. Yeah, so Eddie and Shannon are doing Eddie and Shannon things.
Bex: Um, we’re gonna cut back to Buck and Athena doing, um, other things. They have found the,
Alice: much more PG things,
Bex: cause they found the, they found the gas station. They have found the security footage. Um, Athena has like touched something in the store and divined exactly what happened cause you know, she’s psychic.
Um, and they have [01:22:00] also found the rental agreement that Maddie started to write a note on. So now they at least know the make, the model, and the plate of the rental car and, um, unfortunately it looks like Doug didn’t get the rental car through one of the big rental agencies, he went through like a mom and pop, um, rental agency and, because Buck wants to use the GPS in the rental car to track Doug, and Marks immediately pooh poohs that idea and says that, um, rental cars don’t have GPS.
And Athena says that big companies probably don’t, but the small ones, when you’ve only got 12 cars in your fleet, you want to know where they all are. So they probably do have GPS. Which case, Marks is like, oh, thank God. I suppose I better call this in again. And, you’re not, [01:23:00] I’m not going to tell you where I got this information from.
Let’s not go in the official case report. But I need you to track a car.
Ellen: He’s a bit long suffering at this point.
Bex: It’s like when you have, um
Alice: Poor Marks is so done.
Bex: It’s like when you have somebody who’s
Alice: Maybe he should have just fucking listened in the first place.
Bex: It’s like when you have somebody who’s like cooking corporate books, and they have one book, one set of the figures is the real figures, and then they have the, the fake figures that they’re selling.
I can imagine cases that Marks has got two case books, folders going at this moment. He’s got the official case folder, which has got everything that he could actually use if this went to trial and he’s got everything Athena’s given him. And one of them is much, much thicker than the other one.
Alice: Yeah, it’s got like case 7537 and then case 7537 in quotation marks with a wink.
Ellen: Oh, they found a cabin that is, empty. So [01:24:00] Doug kicks the door in. Uh, it looks like a nice vacation spot. There’s snow. There is snow on the ground there. Um, I wasn’t expecting to see so much snow in California, but apparently they’re high enough in the mountains that they do actually have some snow.
Alice: Yeah. It’s wild that you could just go like two and a half hours from LA and get, and it’s like, oh, now I’m in the snow. Like what? That’s so insane to me.
Bex: It’s. April? Would there be snow on the ground in April?
Alice: Are we in April?
Bex: Yes. I guess it’s Because it’s kind of matching Up a mountain? The timeline
Alice: Oh yeah, right, it aired in Ap yeah, in April, and the episode air is kind of reality
Bex: Like, time in 9-1-1 is sort of matching So when they had that episode, whichever one it was, where they had the, the, [01:25:00] the plastic surgery woman with the face off, um, and we got the, this, the thing on the, um, the, the heads up display that said it was March.
Right, yeah. So we knew that the times were sort of similar. So we can assume that this episode is also kind of happening in similar times, that would be April. So would there be snow on the ground, even up in the mountains in April?
Ellen: I guess there must be. Either that or they filmed it a lot earlier than April.
Bex: Or was it they filmed it, they filmed it at a different time and just went
Alice: Because, like, it’s not a heap of snow cover. Hang on, I’m
Bex: I think we need, like, an official California correspondent for this podcast.
Ellen: We do.
Alice: Okay, winter operations at Big Bear Mountain Resort are typically from November to April.
Ellen: There you go.
Bex: So it’s the tail end of the end of the season.
Alice: Yeah, it must be the end of and like, the snow’s not super thick, so, like, that would track.
I guess it’s just high enough altitude [01:26:00] to
Bex: Okay.
Ellen: It’s just gotta be cold enough for the snow to stay on the ground and not melt.
Alice: What year was it?
Bex: Uh, 2019.
Alice: Yeah, snow season closed, um, the 20th of April in 2019. Okay.
So yes, there was indeed snow on the ground.
Bex: I will let it pass.
Ellen: It’s cold enough that Doug says he’s going to make a fire so they can get some warmth and Maddie is going to have a look in the kitchen and see if there’s any food and Doug
Alice: Wait, in the kitchen? Where the knives live?
Ellen: He’s like, no, you stay here.
Alice: Where the knives live. Like, where the knives are? No, where the knives live. Um, anyway, so Doug’s reminiscing about
Bex: [01:27:00] The Poconos.
Alice: When they went to the Poconos, and he’s like, was that our second anniversary? And Maddie’s like, fourth. Like, good remembering on the, you know, best relationship of your life, Doug.
Ellen: And apparently he stuffed up lighting the fire and forgot to open the flue, so their whole house filled with smoke and they had to call the firefighters.
Alice: Yeah, a bunch of hick firefighters. Yeah. Yeah.
Ellen: And then they have this little conversation about men in uniform. He’s like, they’re all the firefighters.
He’s trying to impress his wife and that they’re all down there flirting with her. “What is it with women? They get all weak kneed over a man in uniform.” I’m like, yeah, a little bit.
Bex: Yeah.
Alice: Yeah. This is why we’re all there.
Bex: Yeah. So, I mean, I know you’re evil, but you, you do have a valid point, so I’m going to give you that one.
Yeah. Maddie’s response is that, uh, she married a guy who wears surgical scrubs.
Ellen: And he, he says, “oh, I guess, [01:28:00] I guess I’m a man in uniform too, huh,” and Maddie’s like looking at him going No! No! You’re really not.
Bex: You’re really not. That does not count.
Ellen: No, but it makes her remember a time when, uh, she answered the door and there was a police officer there, and he asked if everything was okay because they had reports of noise, like yelling, and he wanted to check to see if there had been an altercation.
And, um, she’s
Bex: And Maddie answers the door in a turtleneck, very pointedly pulling at the neck, like to get it higher up. Hiding, whatever. I’m guessing strangulation bruises Doug has left on her.
Ellen: Yeah. And he, he says it’s a warm night for a sweater and, you know, she just says everything’s fine. It’s, there’s no, nothing wrong.
And then, uh, he, he sort of says “If you’re in some kind [01:29:00] of danger,” but then Doug comes to the door and says, “Everything okay? What’s going on, officer?”
Bex: I do like that the police officer immediately recognises what’s going on and changes his story. Yeah. He’s like, he just says, “Oh, uh, we had some reports about cars being broken into in the neighbourhood and I just wanted to see if you’d heard anything. Have you heard anything about cars being broken into?” Um, you can just see,
you can see Maddie’s face just fall in relief when she realizes that this guy’s not going to call her out, um, or get her into any more trouble. And Doug’s all like, “Oh no, we haven’t heard anything. Have you heard anything, honey?”
Like, no, I haven’t heard anything. Um, and tells the officer to, you know, have a good night. Um, but the officer stops Maddie and says, “I just need you to sign this form to, to prove that I did a thorough [01:30:00] canvas of the neighborhood in my, um, search for witnesses to the cars being broken into.” And he takes the opportunity to tell her that you, that she shouldn’t be afraid to run. She should be afraid to stay.
Ellen: “You’re scared of what he’ll do if you report him, but you need to think about what he’s going to do if you don’t.”
Bex: Then we get back to reality, uh, where Doug is trying to convince Maddie that they can be happy again. They can go someplace new and have a fresh start with new names, become new people.
And she will New Maddie will forgive New Doug and love him all over again. He just knows it.
Ellen: Maddie doesn’t seem convinced.
Bex: No, she, like, she gets up and walks away from him at this point. Yeah. But it’s all a cover because she walks over to the fireplace and then turns [01:31:00] around, puts her back to it, and one hand starts to grab one of the pokers hanging on the stand.
uh, next to the fireplace. And um, then she whacks Doug across the face.
Ellen: Yeah.
Bex: Yeah, she does.
Ellen: It grabs his face and like, he’s got blood all over it.
Bex: It’s not just like a straight, um, metal stick. It’s got this little hook, like secondary hook on it, which I’m guessing has just ripped him. Yeah. Straight across as she’s, as she’s slammed it down across his face, which good for her.
Um, so she whacks him and then sprints out of the cabin and then Doug takes off after her.
Alice: It’s such a pretty area. It’s so sad.
Ellen: Oh, it’s terrifying. Like she’s running away and he’s like stumbling after her. She’s running down a path like a boardwalk type thing into [01:32:00] and then there’s like a dam wall or something or a pond of some kind there.
Bex: And she can only run on this little narrow path, and Doug’s shooting at her.
Ellen: It’s, oh, so terrifying.
Bex: Like, thank God he’s either not a very good shot or all the blood in his eye is throwing off his aim. Cause otherwise
Alice: he’s probably got no depth perception now.
Bex: Well, thank God for that. Cause otherwise that would have been a very, she’s almost a sitting target.
Cause she can’t
Alice: Yeah, like she’s running like a straight line.
Ellen: She gets into some trees, so he can’t shoot her too much anymore. And then we cut back to the hospital again, um,
Bex: For like a five second scene, which, I don’t understand. It’s basically Hen filling Chim in on what’s happened.
Ellen: Yeah.
Bex: And Chim ratcheting up the tension by asking the question, “Is Doug going to kill her?”
Ellen: Yeah, and Hen doesn’t know. [01:33:00] And Chim says it’s all his fault. He was playing me this whole time. We’re like, yeah. We were wondering that too. But finally Maddie makes it to some woods. So she’s running between trees and running away. He’s yelling at her. She can’t keep running. She’s going to get tired. She can’t run forever.
Bex: So she stops,
Ellen: she stops. And then she looks back and sees her footprints in the snow behind her. She realizes that, like, he’s gonna, he’s gonna follow her wherever she goes if she keeps doing this. So then we go to, back to Marks and Athena and Buck who are questioning the owner of the cabins in the area.
So at least they’ve, they’ve made it to Big Bear. They found the rental car. Apparently their rental car gambit worked. Um. Yep. But it’s been [01:34:00] abandoned somewhat away, away from wherever, well, potentially away from wherever they, they ended up, but maybe it’s close by. They don’t know. So, uh, there’s like over 300 properties on this mountain that this lady manages.
And so,
Bex: yes. And of course, um, Doug and Maddie didn’t go up to reception and like, no, they didn’t actually book a room. So she hasn’t seen anybody. Um, So it looks like they’re going to have to go, you know, door to door for all those 300 properties and try and figure out which one that they are possibly in.
Ellen: Oh, just every, every step these guys take is like an insurmountable kind of barrier, but they still managed to get there.
Bex: There you go. That’s Athena. Can’t let one of Athena’s cases go wrong. No.
Ellen: She’s got magic buck with her.
Bex: Who’s really not doing much. [01:35:00] Like, he’s barely speaking in any of these scenes.
She’s just kind of like dragging him around for eye candy at this point. Yeah. He’s sad. And I mean, I understand that she’s doing that because then she can keep an eye on him. And she knows that he’s not, you know, unlocking people’s phones and, and stealing evidence. Um, if he’s right there next to her,
Ellen: He can’t do anything too stupid if she’s supervising him.
Alice: I think he’s freaked, like, he’s just, yeah, getting more and more freaked out that, like, this is the ending.
Bex: Yes.
Alice: He’s like, man, we’ve been on air for 45 minutes now, like, we’re, we’re pretty much done. Um.
Bex: We are.
Alice: Gotta, gotta find Maddie soon.
Bex: We are pretty much done. Um.
Alice: Anyway, where were we? Maddie’s dying.
Bex: Uh, not quite yet, but we are at the, uh, the, the crux of this.
Um, I don’t know how you, how we want to do this. Do we want to literally go blow by blow and detail exactly what happens to Maddie in this scene? Or do we want to just [01:36:00] summarize it? Because it’s pretty brutal.
Ellen: It is brutal. I feel like we should just hurry through. We don’t need to do a blow by blow description of their little fight, but they
Bex: There is, there is a fight.
So, um, Maddie has used her footprints to lure Doug, and then when he, um, when he gets close enough, she attacks him, and he shoots, uh, runs out of bullets. Pulls out a switchblade and then it becomes, um, both of them reach, trying to get the knife before the other one can do, um, any more damage.
Ellen: Yeah, there’s, there’s fisticuffs, like they’re beating each other and rolling around on the ground.
Bex: Maddie gets stabbed.
Ellen: Oh god, it’s so terrifying. Um, eventually Maddie manages to grab the knife and she just [01:37:00] stabs him multiple times. While she is just you know, basically bawling her eyes out in terror. It’s like
Bex: And pain, because he managed to stab her in the side as well. So she’s in pain, she’s bleeding out, and then she’s also
Alice: It’s also her husband, so like, I’m sure there’s a lot of emotions.
Ellen: Oh man, it’s just Yeah. It’s just trauma on trauma.
Alice: Yeah, as well, like it’s just, yeah, it’s just awful.
Ellen: And then he kind of rolls over and gurgles and And dies.
Bex: And Maddie’s laying in the snow, looking up at the, the It’s a thing where, you know, she’s gone through absolute hell, but it’s this beautiful clear blue sky above her. Yeah. Like, the rest of the world has just gone on while she has been struggling for her life.
And we see, um, [01:38:00] We, as the audience, are looking up at the sky and we see the vision start to narrow and start to sort of fade to black as Maddie closes her eyes and just gives up for a moment. And as she sort of starts to pass out, we flash back to that night when the police officer came to investigate their fight.
And we get the second part of that night where the officer leaves and Maddie has to go back inside and face Doug. And Doug tells Maddie that they are meant to be together, that everybody else in the world is going to tell her about it. to leave him, but they don’t understand that they can never happen because they are meant to be together.
They are meant to live together, to grow old together, and die together. That is how their story ends.
At that point.
Alice: And then Maddie’s [01:39:00] eyes open.
Bex: Yeah, she’s like, no, that is not how my story is going to end. And she manages to pick herself up, get onto her feet, and start walking back the way she came.
Ellen: Oh my god, she looks awful.
She’s got, like, she’s not Visibly like bleeding out of her side. I don’t think.
Bex: Yeah, she is. She’s got like this massive bloodstain on her side. I mean, she is wearing black, but
Ellen: yeah, maybe that’s why I thought she was wearing black, but there’s a, her face is all beaten up. Like really… she just looks like she’s about to pass out again.
Bex: I mean, to be fair, she’s been up for what? Nearly a week. 24 hours at this point.
Ellen: Yeah, while he drove around in circles.
Bex: Unless Doug left her sleep, sleep it all in the car.
Ellen: Ah, she’s, okay, so before we get the end of that, um, Marks heard that they, there was a report of [01:40:00] gunshots, someone’s been at the cabin, and they left in a hurry, they found the broken door.
Bex: That’s because somehow they managed to the report of gunshots had led them to exactly that cabin.
Ellen: Yeah. Yeah. And
Bex: And we’re not going to question it, we’re just going to go yes.
Ellen: Someone finds blood on the snow out there and Buck is like, oh my god, she’s here, and he just takes off. Yes. And then we get Maddie sort of stumbling her way up a mountain kind of thing with in the snow.
And you can see someone coming towards her and it slowly resolves into the flailing figure of Buck running towards her and screaming her name. And
Alice: they’re just I do, like, this is, like, I’m sobbing during this, like, reunion, mind you, but I love Buck’s, like, flailing run when he’s running towards, [01:41:00] like, it’s like his panic run.
I love Buck’s flailing run. And like all four of his limbs just go, like his arms go, his legs go, like it, it’s just like And it’s so different to how Oliver actually runs, that like it’s just this panicked, like scrambling run. And I’m like, stopping.
Ellen: I mean, it’s not easy to run over, over snowy ground anyway, I’m sure, uneven, uh, snowy ground.
Bex: See, I made that excuse, but unfortunately, um, this snow is not an excuse. It’s not an excuse. for, uh, the way that Oliver runs when he is, the, the act, the running choices that Oliver makes when he thinks that Buck is panicking.
Alice: Yeah, like, it’s a total different run, and you’ll see it a lot during the series, Ellen.
Ellen: Oh no! It’s more, there’s more panicky moments?
Bex: Oh, there’s so many more. Yeah, this is, like
But, so we’ve got, like, cartoon Buck. Flailing down the mountain, screaming [01:42:00] Maddie’s name, you’ve got Maddie screaming Buck’s name back at him. It’s like the, the, the most morbid game of Marco Polo.
Ellen: Yeah, this is another point where I was like, why does she call him Buck again?
Bex: Because that’s his name.
Ellen: Yeah, but like, she’s his sister.
Alice: Yeah, but he goes by Buck now.
Ellen: It’s her last name as well.
Bex: Yeah. But that’s his chosen name.
Ellen: Yeah, I know.
Bex: Yeah. So he wants to be known as Buck, so she is going to respect that decision, and she is going to call him Buck.
Ellen: It just made me laugh. I mean, not laugh because I’m, you know, deeply hurt by this episode, but, uh, it occurred to me.
Bex: But yeah, she should have been saying Evan. Yeah. But eventually they, um, they sort of collide and Maddie absolutely just collapses once Buck has her. And, um, she’s sobbing and I’m sobbing and Buck’s sobbing.
She’s just, [01:43:00] she just starts sobbing and she’s like, I didn’t give up, I didn’t give up. He’s like, no, you didn’t, you made it. And everybody collectively loses it.
Ellen: Yeah. Right, where’s the next short scene?
Bex: Oh, it’s like two lines. It’s Athena watching as they zip dug up into a body bag and then leave him there, which is, you know, exactly what he deserves. He doesn’t even deserve a body bag. Um, and Marks makes a comment that he’s never seen red snow before. And sort of looks around the scene and says that, um, “It is a miracle that Maddie made it out.”
And Athena goes, “No, it’s not a miracle, that woman fought like hell.” And that’s it. They drag them out into the snow for that scene. That’s it.
But then we get, um, possibly the most confusing. scene, which is Maddie and [01:44:00] Buck in the back of an “Ambulnz”. And no, I didn’t just,
Alice: I seriously thought Bex was having a stroke while she’s like writing the notes for this and I’m just like, Bex, that’s not how you spell ambulance.
Bex: It is in this instance.
Ellen: Yeah. I saw that, I was like, why?
Yeah.
Bex: So apparently ambulance, and which for those of you who have not seen this spelt out, it is A-M-U-B-U-L-N-Z. Um, it is the German word for ambulance. Um, and they are basically a private medical transport company. They tout themselves as being the Ubers of ambulances. It’s basically a private ambulance company.
So I’m guessing that, um, it was. Possibly the only way that they were going to get an ambulance up to Big Bear, but So they’ve got Maddie in the back of an ambulance Which is this beautiful, which is this lovely little light [01:45:00] blue color. It’s very sort of Tiffany blue. Yeah, it’s very pretty It looks very poetic as it’s winding its way back down the Big Bear windy roads But yeah, it’s an Ambulnz
Alice: Yeah, so Buck’s trying to keep her awake.
Like, she’s you know, obviously suffered massive blood loss and trauma, and he’s just like, “Nope, keep your eyes open,” um, and trying to distract her. And he’s like, “Hey, you think you had a hard day? Athena and I have been running all over the state looking for you. I wasn’t dressed for snow.”
Bex: And she’s like, “I wasn’t dressed for snow either.”
Alice: Poor Maddie.
Ellen: She’s like, ” I wasn’t either.”
Bex: Out of everything that’s happened, that is the, that is the cherry on top, that is the straw that broke the camel’s back. It’s that all this happened and she wasn’t dressed appropriately.
Ellen: But at least she got, at least he got a smile out of her. A little smile.
Bex: Yeah, that was, that was the point of it.
Alice: Um, so Buck tells her that [01:46:00] Athena said she’d call Bobby and let everyone know. Um, and everyone’s gonna be so relieved, and Chimney most of all. And then Maddie just goes, “Chimney’s alive?” And I just, I’m sobbing.
Ellen: Oh, she’s so relieved. Because she really thought that Doug had killed him.
Alice: The whole time she’s just thought that he, yeah.
Ellen: Oh, poor Maddie. She’s been, like, I’m really interested to see how they deal with this afterwards. Because if they just, if they just kind of brush it off like the way they brushed off Bobby’s suicidal tendencies, um, so far. I think that would be really sad, but I don’t want her to suffer, but you know, she’s been through a lot.
Anyway, I know you’re just sitting there going, yeah, you’ll find out, girl!
Bex: I’m just sitting here nodding going, mm hmm. [01:47:00] Yep. Yep.
Ellen: Anyway, we go back to the
Bex: If you weren’t crying before, everyone is going to start crying now because, uh, the music supervisor decided that Adele was going to be the perfect, um, song to take us out for this episode.
Ellen: Yeah.
Alice: Um, yeah, it’s “Make, make me feel your love?” Make you feel my love? Whatever it is.
Bex: Something love, something sad, something beautiful. And we’re going
Alice: And um, we’re in hosp uh, Chimney’s hospital room.
Ellen: And he’s getting pretty sick of being cooped up in hospital. But it’s only been a few days. The nurse says, “Maybe your friend can distract you.” And it’s, Maddie has come to visit him. Yeah. It’s so cute. He’s like, “what are you supposed to be in hospital?” She’s like, “I am in hospital.”
Alice: I love it! I am in [01:48:00] hospital.
So cute.
Bex: She got herself transferred to whichever hospital Chim is in so that she can be with him as she recovers. Yeah.
Ellen: Yeah.
Bex: She, she gets herself out of her wheelchair and just to sit on the side of Chim’s bed and, and Chim just looks absolutely devastated at the sight of her. Um, and she tries to reassure him and says, no, everything is going to heal.
I’m going to be okay. Um, and they, they have this cute little moment where they’re, they’re both just absolutely so sorry for what the other person’s gone through and they both thought that the other person was dead and just trying to come to terms with that, that they thought the worst, but everything is going to be okay.
Ellen: Oh, it’s like a happy ending, but not, like
Bex: Chimney says “you’re okay” and Maddie says “we’re okay.” And then she leans in and kisses him and I don’t know how many times I’ve [01:49:00] watched this, episode, and it only clicked that that’s their first kiss. Awww. Because up until this moment it was like awkward, awkward high fives.
Yeah.
Alice: Awww. And buff Fridays. Aww.
Bex: Yeah.
Alice: And karaoke.
Bex: And so their first kiss is in the hospital room.
Ellen: Yeah, when they’re both covered with scratches and stab wounds.
Bex: After Doug nearly killed both of them.
Ellen: Ugh.
What a way.
Bex: Which really kind of sets the tone for their relationship.
Ellen: Oh my god, that’s the end of the rollercoaster ride for now.
Bex: Yes, this horrific Doug arc is now over.
Ellen: Mmm.
Bex: Or is it?
Ellen: Oh God, don’t. Don’t, don’t, don’t. He’s coming back next week as a zombie!
Bex: No. This is, this is not supernatural. What is dead [01:50:00] stays dead.
Ellen: Oh, thank God.
Alice: Well.
Bex: No, no.
Alice: I mean, season seven. Yeah, anyway.
Ellen: I mean, I’m looking forward to getting back to some more normal, kind of. 9-1-1 calls after this, maybe? Yes. Because, um, yeah, it’s pretty full on. Like, the pace is unrelenting in this episode.
Alice: Yeah, it was a lot.
Ellen: But very well made. Like, the directing and everything is great. Like, it’s just, it keeps you guessing the whole way through, and right until, right until he, like, you know, rolls over and dies. You’re just like, oh, what is happening? Yeah.
Bex: I guess it’s episodes like this that I can understand why there are such dodged offenders of Kristen Riedel, because this is another Kristen Riedel episode.
Ellen: Is it? [01:51:00] Oh.
Bex: Yes.
Alice: Interesting.
Bex: Which kind of explains the very, very short scenes and the fact that Buck has nothing to say.
She does do this sweeping grown up storylines really well. Unfortunately, there is more to this show than the the three episode big dramatic arcs, which is why she is not my favorite writer.
Ellen: Well, I enjoyed this particular episode of hers.
Bex: Oh yeah, she does, she does Chimney and Maddie and she does Bobby and Athena well.
Alice: She does Bobby and Athena very well, the problem is I just don’t care when it’s only Bobby and Athena.
Bex: Yeah. Yeah, like we said before, we’re in it for the ensemble. I mean, we’re, we’re kind of in it for very two very specific members of the ensemble. Um, but the,
Alice: see, I say that, [01:52:00] but then like Chim is also one of my favorite, like, I probably like Chim as a character more than I like Eddie as a character,
Bex: but it is, it is an ensemble show and we do enjoy it is an ensemble show.
Yeah. Watch the ensemble interact and the ensemble episodes.
Ellen: Yeah. Well, we got elements of the others in this one, but not. It was just all them hanging out in the hospital. It wasn’t, nothing else happened. But even then it
Bex: wasn’t like all of them hanging out in the hospital. It was like two at a time.
Ellen: Yeah.
Bex: Like I don’t think we saw them all together at any point.
Ellen: And randomly just Chris wandering around the hospital.
Bex: And just Chris wandering around the hospital.
Which is fine. There are other writers in the writers room that do the ensemble stuff really well. So not every writer needs to be able to do every single storyline. Um, you can have some writers that do this part really well and some writers that do that part really well. [01:53:00] Yeah. I am still just going to bitch and moan all the time.
Ellen: Okay, that’s totally fine.
Alice: Um, so yeah, very heavy episode. I, it’s not one that I, would re watch.
Bex: It doesn’t exactly scream, I’m going to sit down on the couch and enjoy an episode of 9-1-1, which one will I put on? Oh, I know, let’s watch “Fight and Flight” again. Yeah. No. It’s an important episode, it’s a good episode.
Yeah. It’s just not an easy one to watch.
Ellen: Yeah. So I hope we have something lighter to look forward to next week.
Bex: Uh, next week, the call center is hit with a system wide power outage. And
Alice: I don’t remember this episode at all.
Bex: And the 9-1-1 call center must go old school in responding to emergencies. They have to deal with explosions in multiple homes and a difficult childbirth.
[01:54:00] Meanwhile, Michael confronts Bobby about parenting his kids.
Ellen: Oh, I thought Bobby was doing a good job of parenting his kids. Heh.
Bex: Uh, he, he is, um,
Alice: I mean, to be fair, Bobby killed his kids.
Bex: I mean, Michael is just very insecure when it comes to the kids and other male role models. We’ve seen that before. This is just like the, the, the straw that breaks the camel’s back.
Alice: I think I was still just like drying my eyes from watching “Fight or Flight” when I watched the next episode. So I have no memory of it at all. So I’m excited to get into it.
Bex: I think I remember the plane. That’s in this one, right?
Alice: I don’t know. I don’t remember.
Bex: I don’t remember the childbirth.
Alice: No, I’m going to laugh so hard if it’s one of those [01:55:00] things again, where we watch and we’re just like, there was no difficult childbirth
Bex: I mean, it has to be, because it’s in the triggers.
So the trigger list that someone has compiled for, uh, the next episode, which is called Broken, is children at threat, a gas leak, an explosion, and a woman has complications with delivery, slash childbirth. So that’s what’s coming up next week.
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[outtake]
Ellen: Just say, Chimney is no longer bleeding out.
Bex: Finally, finally, after bleeding out in the atrium of Maddie’s apartment for three weeks, he’s finally found.
Alice: I think we’re up to like four weeks at this point.
Ellen: Yeah, it was a while. I’m so sorry, Chim. And also Maddie, because like, she [01:57:00] was driving, you know, The long, slow, two hour, two and a half hour drive to Big Bear, over three weeks.
Bex: Wait, so it’s two and a half hours from L. A. to Big Bear?
Ellen: Yeah.
Bex: But Doug grabbed
Ellen: It seemed like they were driving all day.
Bex: But Doug grabbed her at, like, what, six o’clock Friday night?
Alice: Yeah, and then this was, like, during the daytime?
Bex: And when they stopped at the gas station, that was 4 a. m. So that’s 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 1, 2, 3, 4, that’s 10 hours of driving.
Ellen: She definitely said Big Bear, right, and the thing, there was a turn off. Yeah. Yeah, that is like right in, it’s in the mountains like right Next to LA.
Bex: So where, where were they going? If it’s, if they were driving for a whole day.
Ellen: And they were driving through like desert, which is on the other side of the mountains just there.
Bex: Yeah, so it took them
Ellen: So [01:58:00] unless, unless the traffic was just, you know, It’s really super bad.
Bex: At 4am?
Ellen: Yeah.
Alice: Well. It is LA. They’re busy.
Bex: But then it took, it took them, what, 12, 13 hours to get there, but Buck and Athena got there.
Alice: I mean, they had to stop and shoot a convenience store.
Ellen: Yeah, but they were only there for like, surely, 15 minutes.
Bex: As long as it took Maddie to pretend to pee.
Alice: And it was dark then, too, right?
Bex: It was 4am. Yeah. Because that’s what time the, um, the so called Adult Amber Alert came through.
Ellen: Right. Yeah, well, Google says two and a half hours, so
Bex: Oh, I’m, I’m, I’m I do not trust 9-1-1 with time at all, so I am, I am fully, I’m fully willing to believe that it did take Doug and Maddie that long to drive just because they got [01:59:00] stuck in whatever time loop stops Eddie from being able to put on a shirt in any kind of reasonable time frame.
Ellen: I mean, I was fully expecting them to have driven to like, Colorado or something.
Bex: You know that, you know that shot where, um, they pulled the trucker over? Um, because Doug’s hidden the phone in the truck, and it’s just this, this, this, um, really long shot across I thought they ended up in Utah. Yeah. So I thought that was the Salt Pans.
Alice: They’re just in Utah.
Ellen: I mean, there’s a lot of desert between LA.
Bex: Like, how the hell did they get down to Salt Lake City?
Alice: It’s just two and a half hours out of the city.
Bex: I don’t know.
Ellen: To drive from LA to Denver in Colorado is 14 hours.
Alice: Oh Jesus, okay, that’s probably not as
Ellen: And like, Salt Lake City is less than that, it’s like
At this time of day, which is like early in the morning, it’s like the middle of the night over [02:00:00] there at the moment. Um, Salt Lake City is only 10 hours, so it would make more sense for them to have gone over there?
Bex: And then looped back around to get to the mountains?
Ellen: Uh, I don’t know.
Bex: Yeah, I’m gonna say that this is yet another one of, “Oh let’s, this, this location is going to be amazing for shooting on. It’s going to look so good on screen. We don’t give a fuck how they get there. They’re just gonna get there, okay?”
Ellen: They’re just gonna drive all day and all, all night and then all day.
Bex: All night and then all day.
Ellen: And then they’re just gonna end up, like, right outside LA.
Alice: Oh my god, it’s literally just right outside Riverside.
Like, what the fuck?
Bex: Oh my god. That’s gonna be a new level of 9-1-1 with their time related
Ellen: I mean, if she hadn’t mentioned Big Bear, it I would have been, I would have [02:01:00] bought it. Like, I don’t care where the, where they ended up, it had some snow.
Bex: But because they specifically named something that you can look up and you can use as a point of reference.
Ellen: Yeah, now I’m annoyed at them.
Okay. Well, I mean, people who are from, or who know the LA area better than we do would, would have picked it up probably straight away, but.
Alice: Oh, it’s New Joshua Tree, isn’t that where the big earthquake was?
Ellen: Yeah.
Alice: Yes. Yeah, like, I feel like it’d be, like, if they got to, like, Mexico.
Bex: That’d make more sense if Doug was trying to take her across the border.
Alice: Yeah, right.
Ellen: That, this is actually, I love this.
Alice: But no, let’s just go to a log cabin in the snow.
Ellen: If you go down to the border, like, south of, um, L. A., south of, um, East of LA and that city in Mexico is called Mexicali, but on the other side of the border it’s Cal Calexico[02:02:00]
It’s like they’ve mixed up the two.
Bex: Oh my God.
Ellen: California, Mexico, Mexicali on that side and Calexico on the other side.
Bex: That’s awesome.
Ellen: Oh. I can I
Alice: All the outtakes are just us looking at maps
Ellen: Yeah, I’m just like, I’m a map nerd. Yeah.
Alice: Something something GPS, yeah.
Bex: I’ve, I kind of, you know when they have, um, like Bugs Bunny cartoons, and they would track where Bugs was going, and you’d get that map, and you’d get the little red line, just sort of following him.
Ellen: Should’ve taken a left at Albuquerque.
Bex: If you did that for this, it’d just be Doug, like, driving around in circles. Yeah. And then all of a sudden just going straight up to big, to Big Bear.
Ellen: I mean, he could have, I guess. I mean, they didn’t know they were being followed until like, Oh, until he saw the, didn’t he hear at the, at the gas station, he heard something about, or he got a [02:03:00] notification about the alert?
Bex: Yeah. They got the, the so called abduction alert, which is not an actual thing. But we can get into that when we’re, you know, actually on the episode, because we haven’t started yet.
Ellen: I’m going to have to add this in somewhere.
Alice: If you go back to, if you go back to Big Bear Lake. Yeah. If you go East? No West from there. Yeah. There’s a thing called San Bernardino.
Bex: Yes. San Bernardino. Okay.
Alice: And there’s like a big like circley intersection thing that just goes around. So you think, I’m pretty sure he was just driving around that for most of the time, looking for a gas station, and then Maddie is just like, you know what, just like on your next loop, let’s fucking go up the mountain. Like I’m so fucking bored of this San Bernardino.
Bex: She’s getting, she’s getting car sick.
Ellen: Oh, poor Maddie, she just, she looks so sad in this, oh, okay, all right, let’s start the [02:04:00] thing and then we can.
Bex: So the outtake for this episode is just going to be the us discussing like mapping logistics.
Alice: And then someone from LA is going to be like, do you know how long it takes to get out of LA? Like, it takes 17 days,
Ellen: like, in the middle of the night, it’s going to take you all night to get out of there. Oh.
Alice: Like, sorry, we live in Australia where there’s like three cars on the road at any given point.
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